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Dale Finch
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The final from HELL!!

Postby Dale Finch » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:55 pm

I was on the "final" ( :roll: !) stretch in repairing the right inop brake on my "new" '51 cub. Got the final off with no problems. However, the brake drum practically fell off into my hand when the final was removed, so I figured I had found the problem. It looked like the set screw had not been tightened down. In addition, the brake band anchor pin was broken.
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Broken brake pin

OK, so 2 problems. I cleaned up the final: removing the oil pan, flushing the housing with kerosene, cleaning the differential shaft bearing, making new gaskets for the cap and oil pan, chasing all the bolt holes, including the implement holes, installing a new seal, and generally wire brushing everything. Looked real nice (original paint, I believe).
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Today I installed the oil pan, and added gear oil. Installed the differential shaft and cap. Then when I went to install the clean brake drum, it didn't want to tighten up correctly. So I pulled it back off, and realized that it was terribly worn where it had been loose for who knows how long.
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Excessively worn brake drum

Fortunately I had a spare there, so I continued on. Got the drum on then the nicely cleaned up and primed brake, which actually had looked like it was new. Luckily, I happened to have a spare pin, too!
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So I am ready to install the final, got it trussed up from the engine hoist, lined up and actually got it in without much hassle. Both dowel pins and the brake pin lined up...now just need to tighten it up...have about 1/4" to go. First I thought the brake pin was out of the hole, but it wasn't...after trying to finesse it for quite some time, I decide it had to come back off. UGH! Not that easy by myself!
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Remember that spare brake pin I had? Well...I compared it to the two pieces of the one that came out, and it is about 1/4" longer! Guess I know why it wouldn't go on any further!
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Original broken pin length compared to "spare"


My question is, does anyone happen to have a spare pin? I know TM Tractors does, but in addition to the $9.52 price, I would end up paying a flat rate shipping price that I feel would be higher than perhaps a padded envelope. I will call Jason at DuFour Tractor Parts, since he is usually reasonable about shipping prices, but hoping someone here may have one they can "part" ( :roll: !) with. Thanks!! :hattip:
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Tractors Owned: '51 Cub #140966 "Bruno" with Woods 59 mower
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'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Dale Finch » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:06 pm

Thought I would give a chuckle to you folks who have seen me at CubFests, and tagged me as having OCD. This explain another reason this has been the final from HELL...I was draining the transmission, and had the pan up on a bucket to keep it closer and avoid drips onto all that nice protective cardboard I use. As I was removing it, it sloshed, and slipped from my hands, dumping ALL the oil onto the Woods 59 and the floor!! :shock:

I grabbed a couple small pieces of cardboard and used them to scoop together and pick up the oil to dump it into a bucket. Took me almost :30 min just to get the bulk up. You can imagine my OCD teeth being clenched hard because with the final off, there was no way to move the cub out to properly clean up the mess. Now with this brake pin delay, I will continue to have to see this mess!!!! :big what: :big angry: :big crying:

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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Crimson Tim » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:08 pm

Is your spare pin too long, or did the broken pin break into 3 pieces, not 2, and there’s a 1/4” stub stuck in the hole? Or is the spare from something other than a Cub?
You could always cut it. It looks the same otherwise.

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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Dale Finch » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:16 pm

It MIGHT be from the Super A, though I tried to keep parts separated. It is defitiely too long, which is why I couldn't get the final on the last 1/4". I actually thought about cutting it, and may just do that tomorrow.

Not sure I can stand the mess much longer!!!! :lol:
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Clemsonfor » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:20 pm

Isn't their shipping $10?? So a $10 part plus $10 shipping is not bad for something you need. Heck even if it was $20 to ship at least you can get it. Buy something else while your ordering to throw in the box too.

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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Bob McCarty » Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:11 pm

I'd either cut it shorter, or see if the hole could be drilled deeper. Check to make sure there isn't debris in the hole too.
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby halftonstude » Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:18 pm

I like to tell people I have CDO... it has all the same identical symptoms but... the letters are in alphabetical order....
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'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Dale Finch » Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:47 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Glen » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:34 am

I noticed that in your pic that shows the brake drum on the shaft, it looks like the shaft may be worn where the brake drum goes.
It might be just the pic making it look that way, I'm not sure.
The drum should be a snug fit on the shaft. :)

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'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Dale Finch » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:10 am

Glen, I will take a close look at the drum fit on the shaft. I did have to use a mallet to drive it into place against the machined shoulder. And I used a new Woodruff key.

If I think it's questionable, I'll go out to the farm and grab the spare shaft I have. I had forgotten about that spare...guess it's good I have NOT sold all these leftover parts!
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Jim Reid » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:32 am

Dale i can understand what you are saying should have known better but bought it anyway a 464 IH close to you already taken apart seller said he didn't have time to finish it already had all new parts to finish the job parts were in boxes first thing missing when i starting checking when i got it home no clutch or pressure plate should have paid more attention when he and his helper were in a hurry to load stuff MY BAD gave him a call and after he quit cussing i decided to try and make best of my mistake he already had the crank turned .020 had new bearings that were standard injectors were bad $616.00 have pump rebuilt new injector cups finally got to test drive something is wrong can't change gears inspection plate already removed gave a look center had come apart from the pressure plate had to split tractor put center back in welded it forgot to mention having the fuel tank cleaned new seat steering wheel grill and lights it's for sale any buyers ?

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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby muleboss » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:49 am

Cut it off. What do you have to lose other than time? Not sure where it came from anyway.

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'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Dale Finch » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:09 am

Jim, I feel your pain! This one came with a really nice Woods 59, so bought it as much for that as the tractor! It has run very well...quite strong with that mower in tall grass. So this really won't have been too bad (especially compared to your experience!), but should have been done by now! Oh, and my OCD is REALLY fighting me will that oil-soaked cardboard STILL on the floor!!!! :lol:

muleboss wrote:Cut it off. What do you have to lose other than time? Not sure where it came from anyway.

Just what I'll do! Need to get this puppy outta here! (...and clean up the mess!! :roll: :lol: )
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Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Jim Reid » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:53 am

Dale i forgot to mention a new radiator this would have driven some folks to drinking hell it made me quit i even went to the river and was thinking about jumping in but the farm workers were playing in the river and i figured one of them do gooders would safe me.

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Tractors Owned: '51 Cub #140966 "Bruno" with Woods 59 mower
'55 Cub #187541 "Betty" with Fast Hitch
'55 Cub #190482 "Ben" with Woods 42 mower
'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: NC, Chapel Hill

Re: The final from HELL!!

Postby Dale Finch » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:33 pm

:surrender:
Man, I had it EASY!! In fact, I trimmed 1/4 inch of the end of that pin, ground it nice and smooth, and got it all back together this afternoon! Now, mount the wheel/tire, roll that beastie out, and FINALLY...clean up that mess!! :lol: :lol:

Tomorrow, though...right now "It's Miller time"!! :D :beer:
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