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Cub crime scene photos...
I'm a shiny new member of the Cub Club, having never been exposed to them until sometime last year. It took quite a spell for me to find a Cub in my local area, but eventually I bought two of them from a 70-something gent about 50 miles south of me. One was running (more or less), and the other was partially disassembled. It seems the fellow's 90 year old father had started a rebuild project, but couldn't complete it.
49Cub by Jim QRB, on Flickr
When I finally got them home, the running tractor proved to be a 1959, with the older Cub dating to 1949. I set to work immediately on the '49, as it was the one I really wanted. But as I began to tear it down, I realized I had a bit of a mystery on my hands. The first thing I spotted was a couple of welded repairs to the steering housing base. Well, that didn't fill me with confidence, so I planned on finding a replacement. Later I saw one of the welds had a large crack running through it, so my distrust was was justified.
IMG_1532 by Jim QRB, on Flickr
But the plot of this "whodunnit" grew thicker, as I found weld repairs to one ear of the governor housing, and the fork where the fan mounts. The engine has no serial number, so the block has evidently been replaced. Heck, even the fan pulley had been broken and welded back together! Hmm... I know life on the farm is not 'fer sissies, but good grief!
After a days long battle with rusted and rounded bolts on the platform, I was quite disgusted to see that the right rear final drive casting had been completely shattered and welded back together! The left hand final had not suffered such indignities, but the forward implement mounting holes on both sides had been broken and "welded" in a most horrific fashion.
IMG_1544 by Jim QRB, on Flickr
IMG_1545 by Jim QRB, on Flickr
So what on earth do you suppose happened to this little Cub? Hit by a truck some foggy morning as it was being driven on the road? Rolled down an embankment? Struck by Yankee cannon fire during the seige of Atlanta? Well, perhaps not the latter, but whatever happened to this poor little Cub, it was certainly a crime.
I was looking forward to working on this little beastie, and I'm still enjoing it, but the project has certainly grown a bit larger than I intended. A third Cub (also a 1949) has now been bought for parts. All the major castings look sound, so I have plenty of work ahead of me.
So what's your tale? What unwelcome surprises have some of you found after getting your new/old tractor home?
49Cub by Jim QRB, on Flickr
When I finally got them home, the running tractor proved to be a 1959, with the older Cub dating to 1949. I set to work immediately on the '49, as it was the one I really wanted. But as I began to tear it down, I realized I had a bit of a mystery on my hands. The first thing I spotted was a couple of welded repairs to the steering housing base. Well, that didn't fill me with confidence, so I planned on finding a replacement. Later I saw one of the welds had a large crack running through it, so my distrust was was justified.
IMG_1532 by Jim QRB, on Flickr
But the plot of this "whodunnit" grew thicker, as I found weld repairs to one ear of the governor housing, and the fork where the fan mounts. The engine has no serial number, so the block has evidently been replaced. Heck, even the fan pulley had been broken and welded back together! Hmm... I know life on the farm is not 'fer sissies, but good grief!
After a days long battle with rusted and rounded bolts on the platform, I was quite disgusted to see that the right rear final drive casting had been completely shattered and welded back together! The left hand final had not suffered such indignities, but the forward implement mounting holes on both sides had been broken and "welded" in a most horrific fashion.
IMG_1544 by Jim QRB, on Flickr
IMG_1545 by Jim QRB, on Flickr
So what on earth do you suppose happened to this little Cub? Hit by a truck some foggy morning as it was being driven on the road? Rolled down an embankment? Struck by Yankee cannon fire during the seige of Atlanta? Well, perhaps not the latter, but whatever happened to this poor little Cub, it was certainly a crime.
I was looking forward to working on this little beastie, and I'm still enjoing it, but the project has certainly grown a bit larger than I intended. A third Cub (also a 1949) has now been bought for parts. All the major castings look sound, so I have plenty of work ahead of me.
So what's your tale? What unwelcome surprises have some of you found after getting your new/old tractor home?
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
Your guess is as good as mine as to what caused these mishaps. If you're really curious, perhaps you could contact the seller and ask.
If only these Cubs could talk...
If only these Cubs could talk...
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
Maybe the first 49 should be used as a parts tractor to refurbish the second.
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
I wonder if the broken Cub was built out of parts. Maybe the person worked for a tractor shop and had a carcass laying around and built it up with old broken junk.
Assuming it was not built up with junk, it must have had one helluva crash. Hit by a truck is a good guess.
The Cub that my son and I just got running has been in our possession for 20 years, and when I finally dug into it, there were surprises, but not of that magnitude. Our oil pan had a hole stuck into it, and then brazed shut. Our fan stanchion/bracket had been broken and welded, and the accessories underneath the chassis were all apparently hand made (not in a good way). Lastly, there was no oil filter whatsoever. I expect these kinds of surprises, but your broken Cub certainly must have a tale to tell.
Speaking of contacting the original owner - I had a similar job last year, trying to find original paperwork showing the original plate number on an old title for my '65 Sprite. The power of the internet came through, and I was able to track down the person I bought it from (in the early 1990s), the person I sold it to and two other owners after that. I bought it back about a year ago, and had the original license plates still hanging on my shop wall and needed proof that they were on the car at some point. My point is, sleuthing can lead to some solid results.
Assuming it was not built up with junk, it must have had one helluva crash. Hit by a truck is a good guess.
The Cub that my son and I just got running has been in our possession for 20 years, and when I finally dug into it, there were surprises, but not of that magnitude. Our oil pan had a hole stuck into it, and then brazed shut. Our fan stanchion/bracket had been broken and welded, and the accessories underneath the chassis were all apparently hand made (not in a good way). Lastly, there was no oil filter whatsoever. I expect these kinds of surprises, but your broken Cub certainly must have a tale to tell.
Speaking of contacting the original owner - I had a similar job last year, trying to find original paperwork showing the original plate number on an old title for my '65 Sprite. The power of the internet came through, and I was able to track down the person I bought it from (in the early 1990s), the person I sold it to and two other owners after that. I bought it back about a year ago, and had the original license plates still hanging on my shop wall and needed proof that they were on the car at some point. My point is, sleuthing can lead to some solid results.
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
Well my guess for the final drives is that someone tried jerking something like a stump using a chain and a nice running atart.
Could you imagine the look in that persons face when those finals let loose!
What ever they did, they sure abused that poor tractor!
Could you imagine the look in that persons face when those finals let loose!
What ever they did, they sure abused that poor tractor!
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
"Bug eyed" Sprites - what fun! I was an MG and Triumph guy in my teens, I loved those cars, and they were cheap back then.
I didn't think about a reckless stump pulling experience. That makes a compelling argument. And the damage near the front end may have all been the result of a front axle collapse given the welding of the lower housing. Now that's a ride I would not care to take!
Not possible to get any real info from the PO. These were his father's, and he had no interest in them.
No, I'm going to keep plugging away on the poor abused little '49. I've done a lot of work already, and on a positive note, the replaced block shows fairly minor wear. There's not even a perceptible ridge at the top of the cylinders. Compression was poor, the exhaust valve seats need help, and I'm going to let the local machine shop tell me whether a .020" over rebore is going to be required.
So, nobody supports the Yankee artillery possibility?
I didn't think about a reckless stump pulling experience. That makes a compelling argument. And the damage near the front end may have all been the result of a front axle collapse given the welding of the lower housing. Now that's a ride I would not care to take!
Not possible to get any real info from the PO. These were his father's, and he had no interest in them.
No, I'm going to keep plugging away on the poor abused little '49. I've done a lot of work already, and on a positive note, the replaced block shows fairly minor wear. There's not even a perceptible ridge at the top of the cylinders. Compression was poor, the exhaust valve seats need help, and I'm going to let the local machine shop tell me whether a .020" over rebore is going to be required.
So, nobody supports the Yankee artillery possibility?
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
Rear finals and the steering housing are relatively easy to find if you decide to replace them.
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
And I thought my 1947 had been abused by my uncle. I think my is in pretty good shape now. I just got a welded up transmission.
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'47 cub ( Err Err )
'47 cub ( Err Err )
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
Back in the day a most cubs were hauled in pickups. The idea was to back the up to some sort of ditch and unload them. Think maybe the distance was greater than imagined and back off and break. I did see a cub run off in a hole and broken into. Just my thoughts but do remember a lot of cubs hauled in pickups, and don't remember any such thing as ramps.
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
Dad moved our 63 from his house to grandpas on grandpa’s 67 international pickup...back the truck up to the hill in front of the house and drive it on. Woods 42 wedged between the wheel wells and tailgate closed. Who needs tie downs??
You poor soul have one abused Loboy..I thought mine was bad until I read your story.
You poor soul have one abused Loboy..I thought mine was bad until I read your story.
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
We'll never know the story, but it's fun to speculate. I think the "unload off of pickup" idea is a possibility too. Can you imagine how heartbroken you would be, seeing this good tool you need to put to use, and now it's laying on the ground with one wheel a kilter?
Well, my little '49 may have led a hard life, but it's getting cheerier by the day. The block is at the machine shop, the R/H final is off and will be replaced as soon as I win the war of rusty bolts on the donor Cub. I continue to clean, inspect, adjust and paint. Two new front tires will be mounted next week, and as soon as I know I have a good engine I'll order two new Carlisle rear tires. I continue to have a lot of fun, and am anxious for the day it rolls out of the shop as bright as a new penny. Cubs is FUN!
Well, my little '49 may have led a hard life, but it's getting cheerier by the day. The block is at the machine shop, the R/H final is off and will be replaced as soon as I win the war of rusty bolts on the donor Cub. I continue to clean, inspect, adjust and paint. Two new front tires will be mounted next week, and as soon as I know I have a good engine I'll order two new Carlisle rear tires. I continue to have a lot of fun, and am anxious for the day it rolls out of the shop as bright as a new penny. Cubs is FUN!
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
JustJim wrote: Cubs is FUN!
The bug has bitten another one!
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
ive seen old movie footage of tractors being delivered, back in the day a lot of em went by flat bed rail cars and were offloaded with straps and a crane of some sort at rail depots. maybe the busted up tractor was dropped and cracked up? and an enterprising person tried to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
just a guess
just a guess
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Re: Cub crime scene photos...
Humpty is looking rough . But I think Just Jim can put him back together again.....
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