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Stuck in frozen mud
Ran great last week.
I parked in its new lean-to which I built this summer specifically for the 48 Cub. This lean to is on a slight slope, maybe 10 degrees, so the nose is pointing up. It was a bit muddy when I parked it.
Today with temps in the teens I tried to start it, turns over fine, but wont fire up. The leaking carburetor and freezing temps stopped me from trying to start it any further. I replaced the carb this past spring. Set the float to spec & it ran great all summer and fall.
This may sound a far fetched but is it possible that the float is stuck because of the incline that it's on? I tried to push it to flat ground, which is only a few feet back, but it's stuck in frozen mud.
Recent repairs: : (rebuilt starter last year, new plugs, points, one year old 6v battery with new +/- cables, cap & rotor, new wires) I always use non-ethanol.
I parked in its new lean-to which I built this summer specifically for the 48 Cub. This lean to is on a slight slope, maybe 10 degrees, so the nose is pointing up. It was a bit muddy when I parked it.
Today with temps in the teens I tried to start it, turns over fine, but wont fire up. The leaking carburetor and freezing temps stopped me from trying to start it any further. I replaced the carb this past spring. Set the float to spec & it ran great all summer and fall.
This may sound a far fetched but is it possible that the float is stuck because of the incline that it's on? I tried to push it to flat ground, which is only a few feet back, but it's stuck in frozen mud.
Recent repairs: : (rebuilt starter last year, new plugs, points, one year old 6v battery with new +/- cables, cap & rotor, new wires) I always use non-ethanol.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
If you have power to the shed, you might try a hair drier on the carb. I did that successfully last winter on a frosted carb, and much to my surprise, it worked.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
Your carburetor is likely not actually leaking. The carburetor is an updraft type. In a “no start” situation, the fuel is not taken into the cylinders and runs back through the carb and out the throat, appearing to be leaking. Given that the tractor is outside in sub-freezing temperatures, I would make sure that the battery is fully charged. Then, cover the tractor with a tarp and place an incandescent light bulb or small electric heater under the tarp to heat up the tractor overnight. Make sure the bulb or heater is located so as to not start a fire. Give it a try next morning.
If you do get it started, be careful trying to move it with the wheels stuck to the ground.
If you do get it started, be careful trying to move it with the wheels stuck to the ground.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
Best to carefully reverse out of suck a spot.
Ya , I know. My tarp shed slants to rear wall and ice/wet dirt is right there....
Had a winter no start one morning and pulled main jet out of carb to find a gob of ice. It was clear Ice , so it was hard to see at first.
The hairdryer as a heat gun used safely I'll be trying eventually.
Not sure how to sneak her dryer outside and returning it without getting caught , yet...
Ya , I know. My tarp shed slants to rear wall and ice/wet dirt is right there....
Had a winter no start one morning and pulled main jet out of carb to find a gob of ice. It was clear Ice , so it was hard to see at first.
The hairdryer as a heat gun used safely I'll be trying eventually.
Not sure how to sneak her dryer outside and returning it without getting caught , yet...
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
Container of HEET Gas Treatment in fuel tank. Removes ice and water.
I have an excuse. CRS.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
I second the full charge on the battery and light bulb under the tarp . If you decide to try to jack the wheels out of the mud be VERY careful. I did that with a 450 Diesel w/ a 2MH picker that I stuck one afternoon and left overnight. I didn't succeed in lifting the tractor but I did poke a hole through the axle housing with the jack. I know a Cub has jacking points under the axle, but your story reminded me of this. Good Luck. John
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
Buy her a new one for Christmas, then "appropriate" the old one for shop use.
Why is there never enough time to do the job right, but always enough time to do it over.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
Thanks guys, I really appreciate your time responding to this post. I will try all suggestions until the 48 fires up. A new hair dryer is in order. I can just hear my wife asking why the dryer smells like fuel.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
Tony, a heat gun may have more use down the road than a hairdryer
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
I second the heat gun, versus hair dryer. Much greater heat output, every shop should have one. An inexpensive one will do. My wife kept swiping mine, for her projects so I bought her one of her own.
As others have said, a night under tarp, with a small heat source, will be your best bet. Double tarp will be even better!
As others have said, a night under tarp, with a small heat source, will be your best bet. Double tarp will be even better!
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
inairam wrote:Tony, a heat gun may have more use down the road than a hairdryer
You betcha!
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
Try the gas line, fuel system dryer/deicer. If you have water/ice in the carburator if will refreeze once the engine cools off.
I have an excuse. CRS.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
"Leaking carb" needs definition here. Did it just drool out some gas after you tried cranking with choke for a while, or is it running a puddle of gas on the ground continuously?
If just a quick drool, then Don's advice applies. Otherwise you have an actual leaking carb.
New carb does not always mean good carb, or properly adjusted carb, or reliable carb. These things are put in a box with little cushioning, and thrown, kicked, punted, shaken and smashed all the way from the seller to you.
If just a quick drool, then Don's advice applies. Otherwise you have an actual leaking carb.
New carb does not always mean good carb, or properly adjusted carb, or reliable carb. These things are put in a box with little cushioning, and thrown, kicked, punted, shaken and smashed all the way from the seller to you.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
Could it be possible you have condensation in the tank.
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Re: Stuck in frozen mud
A side note about moving your Cub from the frozen mud its in. You may know this, but if not, it's worth noting. If a tire (any tire - front, rear, tractor, car, truck, etc.) is frozen to the ground in mud, be very careful and very slow moving it. You can literally peel the tread off the tire if it's good and stuck. Saw it happen a time or two in Alaska and in Germany in the frozen winters they have.
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