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'55 Cub "Refurbishing"
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
The differential shaft had been rather badly gouged from where the lockbolt had scraped the shaft with the woodruff key out of position. I decided to smooth it out, with no further action, then polished the shaft where the seals rode.
NOTE: Final was initially installed with a few bolts, but without the fenders...one less thing to have to manhandle! Once all lined up and secured, the upper bolts were removed, fender put in place, then all the new Grade 8 bolts were tightened down with new lockwashers.
Filled final with 90wt gear oil (NAPA), cleaned the bolts and holes for the tapered wheel bolts, and installed the right rear tire assembly.
NOTE: Final was initially installed with a few bolts, but without the fenders...one less thing to have to manhandle! Once all lined up and secured, the upper bolts were removed, fender put in place, then all the new Grade 8 bolts were tightened down with new lockwashers.
Filled final with 90wt gear oil (NAPA), cleaned the bolts and holes for the tapered wheel bolts, and installed the right rear tire assembly.
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'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower - Circle of Safety: Y
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
Just the left final to go, I thought. But now a BIG stumbling block showed up. I noticed there was fluid on the cardboard beneath the clutch housing, and tracked it down to the Touch Control. I had tried to clean it up as best I could, but the areas around the boots were quite oily.
So....oh my...bummer... I had THOUGHT just the easier right final to attend to, then out to the farm...but NOOOOO!! The "SHOP QUEEN" doesn't want to leave!
Maybe it will only be a leaking control valve...detach the block from the clutch housing, pull the rod, replace the o-ring, push the rod back in, and ta da!! Done! Right? Nope! Full rebuild...sort of like the "quick" repacking of the front wheel bearings previously!
Once again, remove hood, et al. Drain the TC Block by FIRST removing the FILL plug to remove any system pressure, THEN remove the drain plug (avoiding a horizontal geyser shooting across the room!).
Time to send an order in to TM TRACTORS (a forum sponsor): bushing, TC Rebuild Kit, and a new strainer!!
So....oh my...bummer... I had THOUGHT just the easier right final to attend to, then out to the farm...but NOOOOO!! The "SHOP QUEEN" doesn't want to leave!
Maybe it will only be a leaking control valve...detach the block from the clutch housing, pull the rod, replace the o-ring, push the rod back in, and ta da!! Done! Right? Nope! Full rebuild...sort of like the "quick" repacking of the front wheel bearings previously!
Once again, remove hood, et al. Drain the TC Block by FIRST removing the FILL plug to remove any system pressure, THEN remove the drain plug (avoiding a horizontal geyser shooting across the room!).
Time to send an order in to TM TRACTORS (a forum sponsor): bushing, TC Rebuild Kit, and a new strainer!!
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- Tractors Owned: '51 Cub #140966 "Bruno" with Woods 59 mower
'55 Cub #187541 "Betty" with Fast Hitch
'55 Cub #190482 "Ben" with Woods 42 mower
'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: NC, Chapel Hill
Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
I cleaned the exterior of the block, then began the disassembly while waiting for parts, using the HOW TO generously provided by troopfpc (this is for the later blocks based on part number. There is also one for the earlier blocks, provided by joey j)
I used a cheap plastic silverware tray to line the parts up in during removal, matching the HOW TO. It makes it SO much easier to reassemble the parts later!!
After everything was out of the block, including the plugs, per the HOW TO, I thoroughly flushed the block (every hole, nook and cranny) with Carb Cleaner, then blew it out. Then I poured HyTran into every hole, nook and cranny, to lubricate for reassembly, as well as prevent rusting.
I did the same for all parts: cleaned, dried, then lubricated. I left orings in place, and only removed them when ready to exchange for the new ones. This limited the chance of getting the incorrect o-rings...some are quite similar to each other.
I did encounter a few problems...the first was quite obvious!!
This was all from a FUNCTIONING Touch Control...amazing!!
I used a cheap plastic silverware tray to line the parts up in during removal, matching the HOW TO. It makes it SO much easier to reassemble the parts later!!
After everything was out of the block, including the plugs, per the HOW TO, I thoroughly flushed the block (every hole, nook and cranny) with Carb Cleaner, then blew it out. Then I poured HyTran into every hole, nook and cranny, to lubricate for reassembly, as well as prevent rusting.
I did the same for all parts: cleaned, dried, then lubricated. I left orings in place, and only removed them when ready to exchange for the new ones. This limited the chance of getting the incorrect o-rings...some are quite similar to each other.
I did encounter a few problems...the first was quite obvious!!
This was all from a FUNCTIONING Touch Control...amazing!!
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- Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:34 am
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'55 Cub #187541 "Betty" with Fast Hitch
'55 Cub #190482 "Ben" with Woods 42 mower
'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: NC, Chapel Hill
Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
BTW, I thought I would share a couple pages of reference I made to make this rebuild even easier. As some of you may know, when you get these rebuild kits, it's mostly one bag of unmarked o-rings, and with some of them it can be difficult to tell which ones go where. I added part numbers and dimensions (where available) to all parts:
NOTES:
1 The Control Valve measurements were made by me, and unconfirmed: 15/32 x 25/32 x 5/32
2 As indicated in the 1st photo, there is a separately bagged brown o-ring with the same dimensions as a black one in the kit bag. The dimensions match what is needed for the Pressure Regulator Valve Piston. I have found no one who can tell me where the brown o-ring is supposed to be used, but perhaps the material is better suited for that P-Reg Valve, and someone decided to add it to the kits?? I now have at least 4 of those brown ones, and worry (a bit) that they were supposed to replace the black one. Any input from you guys?? Materials expert, anyone?
Did a bit of searching, and among other articles, came up with this:
http://franklin.chem.colostate.edu/glassguy/viton.html
Hope this helps!
NOTES:
1 The Control Valve measurements were made by me, and unconfirmed: 15/32 x 25/32 x 5/32
2 As indicated in the 1st photo, there is a separately bagged brown o-ring with the same dimensions as a black one in the kit bag. The dimensions match what is needed for the Pressure Regulator Valve Piston. I have found no one who can tell me where the brown o-ring is supposed to be used, but perhaps the material is better suited for that P-Reg Valve, and someone decided to add it to the kits?? I now have at least 4 of those brown ones, and worry (a bit) that they were supposed to replace the black one. Any input from you guys?? Materials expert, anyone?
Did a bit of searching, and among other articles, came up with this:
http://franklin.chem.colostate.edu/glassguy/viton.html
Hope this helps!
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
What’s your hourly rate?
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- Tractors Owned: '51 Cub #140966 "Bruno" with Woods 59 mower
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'55 Cub #190482 "Ben" with Woods 42 mower
'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: NC, Chapel Hill
Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
Don McCombs wrote:What’s your hourly rate?
NO ONE could afford me...I'm too slow!! You can tell from the time I've spent on this stupid computer today that it is raining today, and I have nothing else (I WANT) to do!!!
Anyway, it is WINE TIME, but I have one last post for tonight...
It wasn't until I was cleaning up the Block end of the Hydraulic Manifold that I discovered just where that black stuff on the Orifice Screen probably came from. I was cleaning the old gasket material from the mating surface, and realized the last person who attached it to the TC Block must have used RTV instead of a gasket. When they pushed the screws through the 3 bolt holes, the ends must have picked up some of the RTV, which subsequently was washed into the hydraulic fluid and trapped by the screen...fortunately!
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- Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:34 am
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- Tractors Owned: '51 Cub #140966 "Bruno" with Woods 59 mower
'55 Cub #187541 "Betty" with Fast Hitch
'55 Cub #190482 "Ben" with Woods 42 mower
'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: NC, Chapel Hill
Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
It's been a while, but I have been working on her, in addition to a couple others, off and on! But I will try to catch up...
I was able to get the missing bushing replaced, with the help of a friend, who had a press. We cleaned up the piston rod, and were able to press in the bushing without distorting it. Fortunately, the rod itself had not been worn. The pin finally went in with some sanding.
I continued the rebuild per the HOW TO for the newer blocks:
http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=42857
I had scratched a couple parts in their removal, so I was careful to remove any burrs I had caused before installing the new o-rings. It is possibly overkill, but I pour HyTran in ALL the little holes, nooks and crannies, in addition to dousing all parts during assembly. My thought is it will avoid dry spots that might jam up the o-rings when being inserted. A new screen from Steiners was installed, then I polished the mating surfaces, and installed the bottom and head with new (dry) gaskets. I had scrubbed the leather boots, and oiled them well, then installed them.
Installed the TC block with new gasket, then hooked up everything up: exhaust, choke/starter/throttle/TC rods. Refilled the TC Block.
Decided to drill out the right front dogleg screw...now's the time!
I was able to get the missing bushing replaced, with the help of a friend, who had a press. We cleaned up the piston rod, and were able to press in the bushing without distorting it. Fortunately, the rod itself had not been worn. The pin finally went in with some sanding.
I continued the rebuild per the HOW TO for the newer blocks:
http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=42857
I had scratched a couple parts in their removal, so I was careful to remove any burrs I had caused before installing the new o-rings. It is possibly overkill, but I pour HyTran in ALL the little holes, nooks and crannies, in addition to dousing all parts during assembly. My thought is it will avoid dry spots that might jam up the o-rings when being inserted. A new screen from Steiners was installed, then I polished the mating surfaces, and installed the bottom and head with new (dry) gaskets. I had scrubbed the leather boots, and oiled them well, then installed them.
Installed the TC block with new gasket, then hooked up everything up: exhaust, choke/starter/throttle/TC rods. Refilled the TC Block.
Decided to drill out the right front dogleg screw...now's the time!
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
Eugene wrote:I would replace the bearing and race. The outer bearing and race, if they look OK, not replace. Other parts, order from TM.
Your auto parts store can obtain the bearing and race.
I'm no tractor expert but work on all kinds of stuff. In this application I would replace the bad bearing and race and if the others look serviceable, I would clean and repack them. Order parts from where you feel comfortable, of service, quality and parts.
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
Jim in SC wrote:Working on these old tractors reminds me of that Home & Garden TV show a few years ago (the one with Bob Vila). Bob would look up at a wall or an eave on a house they were refinishing and his side kick, Norm, would say, " Bob, we've got rot", in his priceless New England accent.
Working on a 60+ year old Cub is like that - there is ALWAYS "rot" there somewhere! I feel your "pain" Dale!
This old house. It's still on, Bob hasn't been on it on decades. Is Norm still on it????
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
We used to get that show down here....I liked it
I haven't seen it for a while now
I haven't seen it for a while now
Cripes - I thought I'd never get one.
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
Dale Finch wrote:Just the left final to go, I thought. But now a BIG stumbling block showed up. I noticed there was fluid on the cardboard beneath the clutch housing, and tracked it down to the Touch Control. I had tried to clean it up as best I could, but the areas around the boots were quite oily.
So....oh my...bummer... I had THOUGHT just the easier right final to attend to, then out to the farm...but NOOOOO!! The "SHOP QUEEN" doesn't want to leave!
Maybe it will only be a leaking control valve...detach the block from the clutch housing, pull the rod, replace the o-ring, push the rod back in, and ta da!! Done! Right? Nope! Full rebuild...sort of like the "quick" repacking of the front wheel bearings previously!
Once again, remove hood, et al. Drain the TC Block by FIRST removing the FILL plug to remove any system pressure, THEN remove the drain plug (avoiding a horizontal geyser shooting across the room!).
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Time to send an order in to TM TRACTORS (a forum sponsor): bushing, TC Rebuild Kit, and a new strainer!!
I forgot the part about removing the big plug first a few weeks ago when I changed the TC fluid . Got me and all the stuff on that side sprayed. Oh well more rust control!
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
A huge thank you for this thread! It is so very helpful!
For what it is worth, one forum I frequented, using this same phpBB platform, put all the restoration/refurbishing threads like this into one at the top with a Sticky for reference, categorized by major vehicle categories (i.e. early, late, 6V, 12V, engine, body, etc.). It would be nice if these threads could be linked and collected into a common folder. This thread will be especially useful as I dig into my '61 Lo Boy. I appreciate all your effort to document your project and share.
For what it is worth, one forum I frequented, using this same phpBB platform, put all the restoration/refurbishing threads like this into one at the top with a Sticky for reference, categorized by major vehicle categories (i.e. early, late, 6V, 12V, engine, body, etc.). It would be nice if these threads could be linked and collected into a common folder. This thread will be especially useful as I dig into my '61 Lo Boy. I appreciate all your effort to document your project and share.
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Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
I think you’ll find that it was Dale Finch who documented her excellent restoration work.
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'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: NC, Chapel Hill
Re: '55 Cub "Refurbishing"
Gee, I guess I never finished up this post, cuz I kicked that tractor out of here a while ago! It's hard to keep track, since I have THREE '55's (and a '56 & '51). There's a different '55 here right now, hopefully getting kicked out in a couple days!
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