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john2189
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Throw out bearing
Would you reinstall this? Looks like plenty of wear left, but what about the chipped edges?
John
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'49 Cub (Vince)
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
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Re: Throw out bearing
I can't make out the pics. that well but it doesn't look too good, to me.
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Dale Finch
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Re: Throw out bearing
Anyone know what the minimum required graphite thickness is? Was thinking that, assuming the fingers are adjusted correctly to stop more damage, perhaps the face of the TOB could be filed flat?
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Re: Throw out bearing
John, I've got one that looks similar. I keep it to show folks one that needs replacement.
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chuck ma
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Re: Throw out bearing
You have the tractor already split so why not put a new one in for around $30 bucks and save trouble of splitting the tractor again in the near future? When you got it apart is the best time to take care of maintenance items so you don't have open it up again.
Ain't no shame in being early
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john2189
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Re: Throw out bearing
chuck ma wrote:You have the tractor already split so why not put a new one in for around $30 bucks and save trouble of splitting the tractor again in the near future? When you got it apart is the best time to take care of maintenance items so you don't have open it up again.
I will put a new one in. Just wanted opinions
Thanks
John
'49 Cub (Vince)
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
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Dale Finch
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Re: Throw out bearing
It's recommended to soak it in oil (maybe a few days), and pump the zerk fitting with plenty of cheap grease, including a light smear on the contact face. Most don't come pre-lubricated.
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Jim Becker
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Re: Throw out bearing
From just the thickness perspective, it doesn't look that bad. If that was the ONLY concern, I would reuse it. However, the other problems are a concern.
The chipped edge is pretty big and a strong warning not to reuse it. But the biggest thing (can be barely seen in the upper picture) looks like there are a couple radial cracks in the graphite. If so, it probably isn't far from falling apart in a catastrophic failure.
The chipped edge is pretty big and a strong warning not to reuse it. But the biggest thing (can be barely seen in the upper picture) looks like there are a couple radial cracks in the graphite. If so, it probably isn't far from falling apart in a catastrophic failure.
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john2189
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Re: Throw out bearing
Jim Becker wrote:From just the thickness perspective, it doesn't look that bad. If that was the ONLY concern, I would reuse it. However, the other problems are a concern.
The chipped edge is pretty big and a strong warning not to reuse it. But the biggest thing (can be barely seen in the upper picture) looks like there are a couple radial cracks in the graphite. If so, it probably isn't far from falling apart in a catastrophic failure.
Good eye Jim. I went to look closer and it is cracked. I didn’t notice it before
'49 Cub (Vince)
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
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Glen
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Re: Throw out bearing
Hi,
I don't know if you are replacing the pilot bushing, or have read on here before, some of the new replacement pilot bushings are too small an ID after they are driven into the crankshaft hole.
The Cub service manual gives the running clearance, and the size of the end of the clutch shaft. They should be measured with a dial caliper.
If the bushing is too small, it needs reaming before putting the clutch on the flywheel.
Having the bushing too small an ID can make the clutch shaft keep turning when you push the clutch pedal down, then the gears will grind when trying to shift.
Boss Hog has said on here that not all pilot bushings need replacing, some are still good.
Turn the clutch shaft while the Cub is split, and be sure it is straight, not bent.
Check the throwout bearing holder for looseness, or wear, in the mounting holes, and for wear in the holes that hold the throwout bearing.
The holder should hold the bearing in one position, side to side, so it is centered on the fingers.
Replace the holder, and pin at the top of it, if the holes are worn.
TM Tractor has new a holder for Cubs serial number 32229 or above.
I don't know if you are replacing the pilot bushing, or have read on here before, some of the new replacement pilot bushings are too small an ID after they are driven into the crankshaft hole.
The Cub service manual gives the running clearance, and the size of the end of the clutch shaft. They should be measured with a dial caliper.
If the bushing is too small, it needs reaming before putting the clutch on the flywheel.
Having the bushing too small an ID can make the clutch shaft keep turning when you push the clutch pedal down, then the gears will grind when trying to shift.
Boss Hog has said on here that not all pilot bushings need replacing, some are still good.
Turn the clutch shaft while the Cub is split, and be sure it is straight, not bent.
Check the throwout bearing holder for looseness, or wear, in the mounting holes, and for wear in the holes that hold the throwout bearing.
The holder should hold the bearing in one position, side to side, so it is centered on the fingers.
Replace the holder, and pin at the top of it, if the holes are worn.
TM Tractor has new a holder for Cubs serial number 32229 or above.
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john2189
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Re: Throw out bearing
Thanks Glen. I will check all these things when I change it. Right now it’s still working so I will use it until it gets worse
'49 Cub (Vince)
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
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Glen
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Re: Throw out bearing
Hi,
From your pics at the top of the page, I thought you have a Cub apart.
From your pics at the top of the page, I thought you have a Cub apart.
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john2189
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Re: Throw out bearing
Glen wrote:Hi,
From your pics at the top of the page, I thought you have a Cub apart.
Sorry, that is one on the shelf that I got with other parts. If someone would have said no problem with the chips I’d have put it in
'49 Cub (Vince)
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
'41 allis B with Woods L59 mower
656 Wheel Horse with 42” sickle mower
C-165 Wheel Horse
Simplicity 20 HP Sunstar
Honda 48” walk behind mower
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Eugene
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Re: Throw out bearing
I installed one with minor chips,. The chips were well outside the travel area of the pressure plate fingers.john2189 wrote:Sorry, that is one on the shelf that I got with other parts. If someone would have said no problem with the chips I’d have put it in
I have an excuse. CRS.
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