I've enjoyed this thread as I always do when this question is asked. I do not doubt the virtues of hytran at all. For me it's a matter of availability. If I could get it locally I would use hytran. Closest dealer is 50 miles away and I'm not about to drive that far just to get hytran nor am I going to pay to ship it. In fact when I redo another touch control I will try engine oil in it. And if I have any problems I will let y'all know. Not trying to be cheap, just very curious.
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Boss Hog":29cgn5lk said:ScottyD'sdad":29cgn5lk said:
Castrol, Valvoline, or whatever brand, and Napa Gold, or Wix filters are not off brand, all I can say is that if everyone had the same opinion, there would be a terrible fight over women
Boss
I do use a lot of oem stuff. That way I know it is right. The Farmalls all get IH filters unless I am in a pinch. My 856 gets IH #1 oil and IH filters. Our "real" farm tractors (deere's) get JD filters oils and fluids. The farmalls get JD oil so we only have to keep one brand around! :shock:
Hy-Tran is proven "good stuff." Using off-brand oils (Warren, Sure-Gard, that stuff they sell at wally world comes to mind) is being penny wise and pound foolish IMO.
Al
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tmays":1kyvp6wx said:
Thus the reason mine is running Hy-Gard...
Let the name callin' begin! :lol: :lol: :lol:
ScottyD'sdad
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This might get me into Boss Hog's "book," But how many refineries are there. Ford oil, IH oil, Chevy oil, is not made by the auto makers. Above responses don't explain why we must use IH hydraulic fluid, put Castrol is ok, for the engine. A large bakery, neat here, bakes many brands of bread, from name brand, to discount grocery brand. Employees there have told me that the recipe change, involves changing the bags, in the bagger. I suspect oils, are treated the same.
Enough "pot stirring", for today! Ed
Enough "pot stirring", for today! Ed
raymonddurban
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When the Touch Control first came out, the Factory recommended fluid was straight 10W oil.
http://www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/Cub%20 ... age-17.jpg
Do you guys really think that IH or now Case/IH has this big oil refinery and they are making their own proprietary blend that no one else does/can? They contract it out to the lowest bidder that can meet the specs. There are oils out there that exceed the specs that Hy-Tran does, why are you not using and recommending the other brands of oil that are even better?
The name Hy-Tran is short for Hydraulic-Transmission. In newer tractors where there are wet clutches and brakes that share the same reservoir as the Hydraulic system, it's pretty important that the correct fluid be used so that it's compatible with the materials that make up the different systems on the tractor, thus they spec the oil out to meet those requirements. If the oil in your local store meets the specs, it meets the requirements that IH requires.
But with the Cub, none of that matters, the system consists of a Hydraulic pump and a Hydraulic cylinder block that has the valves built in. Thats it, that's the whole system. The system could care less what fluid is put in it for it to operate, wether it's regular old Hydraulic oil, to Hy-Tran, to 10W oil to the high end stuff, or the low end "cheap" stuff at TSC. Pretty much as long as it's slippery, doesn't compress under pressure or foam up when agitated, it's good.
If you want to spend the big bucks and put IH branded oil in your tractor to give you piece of mind, go ahead, no one here is going to stop you, it's your money. But for the Cub, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the "cheap" stuff either, and I'll add my name to the list of the guys that will save a few bucks in the process.
http://www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/Cub%20 ... age-17.jpg
Do you guys really think that IH or now Case/IH has this big oil refinery and they are making their own proprietary blend that no one else does/can? They contract it out to the lowest bidder that can meet the specs. There are oils out there that exceed the specs that Hy-Tran does, why are you not using and recommending the other brands of oil that are even better?
The name Hy-Tran is short for Hydraulic-Transmission. In newer tractors where there are wet clutches and brakes that share the same reservoir as the Hydraulic system, it's pretty important that the correct fluid be used so that it's compatible with the materials that make up the different systems on the tractor, thus they spec the oil out to meet those requirements. If the oil in your local store meets the specs, it meets the requirements that IH requires.
But with the Cub, none of that matters, the system consists of a Hydraulic pump and a Hydraulic cylinder block that has the valves built in. Thats it, that's the whole system. The system could care less what fluid is put in it for it to operate, wether it's regular old Hydraulic oil, to Hy-Tran, to 10W oil to the high end stuff, or the low end "cheap" stuff at TSC. Pretty much as long as it's slippery, doesn't compress under pressure or foam up when agitated, it's good.
If you want to spend the big bucks and put IH branded oil in your tractor to give you piece of mind, go ahead, no one here is going to stop you, it's your money. But for the Cub, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the "cheap" stuff either, and I'll add my name to the list of the guys that will save a few bucks in the process.
Yet by 1950, long before wet clutches and shared reservoirs, IH changed the recommendation to an oil made only for the Touch Control system. Don't use engine oil.RaymondDurban":2ra9pvip said:
By the way, most of my oil comes from Wal-Mart. MY hydraulic oil is the good stuff from tractor Supply.
ScottyD'sdad
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RaymondDurban said:
ScottyD'sdad
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Jim Becker":2h7bqj05 said:Yet by 1950, long before wet clutches and shared reservoirs, IH changed the recommendation to an oil made only for the Touch Control system. Don't use engine oil.RaymondDurban":2h7bqj05 said:
By the way, most of my oil comes from Wal-Mart. MY hydraulic oil is the good stuff from tractor Supply.
Thanks, Jim. Now, I still need someone to explain why Castrol , or whatever oil they use in the car is ok, for the cub engine, but only Hytran is ok, for the hydraulics. No one has answered that question. Wal Mart oil is better than the best IH oil was, in 1950! Ed
ScottyD'sdad":1kanp3ug said:
Hy-tran is made by Viscosity Oil Co. and has been since it was developed.
http://www.viscosityoil.com/past.htm#
Click on the 2nd 1961 in the timeline
http://www.viscosityoil.com/hy-tran.htm
Viscosity has been updating Hy-Tran over the years. I am willing to bet that Warren tractor fluid (common off-brand around here) Sure-Gard, Walmart hydraulic fluid, etc. are the very same formulations they were 30 years ago.
We all have our favorites and if we're talking an IH machine, mine is Hy-Tran...
Al
HyTran is capable of absorbing more water than any other hydraulic fluid I am aware of. I've looked at spec sheets on a number of them. Many spec sheets can be found on the web and you can take a look at them yourself. Detergent motor oils make poor hydraulic oils (by today's standards) because of the foaming problem. With the ease of finding good quality hydraulic oil, I don't understand why anyone would want to use motor oil. A non-detergent 10W motor oil is the only type I would even consider using and I don't know if you can even find it. Detergent motor oils foam. Orifices inside the system are sized for a 10 weight viscosity. Heavier oils will increase the idle pressure and increase the operating temperature.ScottyD'sdad":32iuk78a said:
We've been down this path in the past, even at least as far back as this thread. I'm done. If this didn't answer your questions, read it again.
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28077
ScottyD'sdad
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Jim, I wonder how important the water absorbing is, in a full, closed system. Very little air in there, to cause condensation.
My question, about the oil is, why is any brand ok, for the engine, when with hydraulics, it has to be IH brand. They don't buy Ford or Chevy brand, ATF, for their trucks, but have to have IH brand fluid, for their TC., apparently because the book calls for it. The "book", for the truck calls for Ford ATF! If its a presumed quality issue, for the cub, why are they not all using IH engine oil, in the engine.
(I eat the 89 cent bread, from the low cost supermarket, not the $2.29 loaf, that came from the same bakery, different label) Ed
My question, about the oil is, why is any brand ok, for the engine, when with hydraulics, it has to be IH brand. They don't buy Ford or Chevy brand, ATF, for their trucks, but have to have IH brand fluid, for their TC., apparently because the book calls for it. The "book", for the truck calls for Ford ATF! If its a presumed quality issue, for the cub, why are they not all using IH engine oil, in the engine.
(I eat the 89 cent bread, from the low cost supermarket, not the $2.29 loaf, that came from the same bakery, different label) Ed
ScottyD'sdad":cpvlp05m said:
As I have said, Hy-Tran is a superior product. It is not just another oil with a caseIH label on it. Even in a little bitty closed hydraulic system on a Cub, I know it is going to work exactly like it is supposed to, handle any water that might be in the system, etc. To me that makes it worth it.
Plus, Hy-Tran smells good.... :big smile:
Al
ScottyD'sdad
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Still unanswered, why do you use Hy-tran in the TC, but "whatever oil used in the car or truck", in the engine. Why don't we use Ford or GM, or Toyota brand fluids, in our car or truck, and IH low ash, #30 oil, in the engine. Just don't understand why a "little used" item, needs "superior" fluids, and a truck, climbing a mountain,can have "whatever" brand fluids. Also, why is "whatever" oil, ok for the engine, butt "whatever" brand is not ok, for the TC. If its brand loyalty, it should include the car and truck, and the cub's engine! IH doesn't make their fluids, and Ford and GM, don't have a refinery, out back! EdSuper A":ii6uoaly said:
ScottyD'sdad":111rgfii said:
I did answer it--it's the best product available for IH hydraulic systems. On our JD tractors, we use JD hydraulic oil. That is the best product for those systems.
Engine oils are a little less fussy IMO. I do use Ford oil in our '09 Escape. My mechanic (not a Ford dealer mech.) recommends it. Like Hy-Tran from what I have read it is good stuff.
And, again, Hy-Tran smells good....
Al
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Just checked the fluids, in my lo-boy, with loader. Engine oil filler tube is "foaming at the mouth" from condensation, from limited use. Hauls a loader of wood to the house, couple of times a week. Castrol, about 10 hours of service. Tc fluid is clear, not milky or foamy.
This is my last comment, on this post. I need to stay out of Boss Hog's "book" Ed
This is my last comment, on this post. I need to stay out of Boss Hog's "book" Ed
Many years ago, my dad got all his gas, motor oil and such (except hydraulic fluid) from the local Mobil distributor. I don't remember if it was in the Touch Control years or after HyTran came along, I think Touch Control. One day dad stopped in at the distributor to look at the Mobil master recommendation book and see what they said to substitute for Touch Control fluid. What do you suppose they said? "Use only International Harvester Touch Control Fluid."
danovercash
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Hy-Tran in the T/C, Rotella T30 in all other 4 strokes, except my truck, dealer serviced.