I've browsed through lots of threads 10+ years old, and some newer ones but haven't found exactly what I am looking for in a modern thread. I have a 1945 A with the lift, and am looking at a working level restoration, nothing like show quality or anything, I want to just use it. I've managed to track down a pressure valve in decent shape as well as control valve parts, but now I am looking into the infamous piston cup. I've seen the name Gene Bender in many many posts related to this particular part, but does anyone know if he is still around and makes these? Does anyone else have experience in making them? Last I was able to find someone getting one of these OEM was from an 11 year old post..
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Lift-All restoration
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Don't know how much it will help, but Case/IH still lists it in their online parts catalog. Leather cup PN is 15184E, spring is 15185E. Apparently, they may still be available because if they don't handle those parts anymore, they are deleted out of the list. It shows "out of stock" at my local dealer, but for a brief second it shows the prices. To save you some sticker shock, the leather cup is $112.00, the spring is $45 and change. Here is a link to the Case/IH online parts store and the cylinder: https://www.mycnhstore.com/us/en/ca...56875BD6/59DC6496-EFBE-E111-9FCE-005056875BD6
AVSPARE also says they have them in stock, but don't show a price, you have to email them to get a price quote: https://avspare.com/spare/case/15184e/ At least you have some prices to compare to.
I actually have a NOS one hanging on a nail in the old shop Dad bought back in probably '58-'59, I'm sure it would turn to dust if handled much. He rebuilt the cylinder in '58-'59 when he bought our A. Must have bought a spare cup for just in case. It lasted until '71 when he traded it towards a 240 Utility.
AVSPARE also says they have them in stock, but don't show a price, you have to email them to get a price quote: https://avspare.com/spare/case/15184e/ At least you have some prices to compare to.
I actually have a NOS one hanging on a nail in the old shop Dad bought back in probably '58-'59, I'm sure it would turn to dust if handled much. He rebuilt the cylinder in '58-'59 when he bought our A. Must have bought a spare cup for just in case. It lasted until '71 when he traded it towards a 240 Utility.
Don't know how much it will help, but Case/IH still lists it in their online parts catalog. Leather cup PN is 15184E, spring is 15185E. Apparently, they may still be available because if they don't handle those parts anymore, they are deleted out of the list. It shows "out of stock" at my local dealer, but for a brief second it shows the prices. To save you some sticker shock, the leather cup is $112.00, the spring is $45 and change. Here is a link to the Case/IH online parts store and the cylinder: https://www.mycnhstore.com/us/en/ca...56875BD6/59DC6496-EFBE-E111-9FCE-005056875BD6
AVSPARE also says they have them in stock, but don't show a price, you have to email them to get a price quote: https://avspare.com/spare/case/15184e/ At least you have some prices to compare to.
I actually have a NOS one hanging on a nail in the old shop Dad bought back in probably '58-'59, I'm sure it would turn to dust if handled much. He rebuilt the cylinder in '58-'59 when he bought our A. Must have bought a spare cup for just in case. It lasted until '71 when he traded it towards a 240 Utility.
Thanks, I will have to give AV Spare an email. I did see them on CNH store and sent emails to the two closest dealers to me, but have not heard anything back... Never been a fan of having to go through a dealer and not being able to talk with someone directly.
Is that NOS cup something you could take pictures of? I'm definitely not against making my own through trial and error but it could be nice to have some sort of reference. I have not actually torn into my cylinder yet, I actually have 2 of them so I am totally unaware of the current condition of the cups I am in possession of...
Thanks for your reply!
I'll try to get some pics in the next few days. Since you haven't had them apart yet, not sure about yours but mine had to have a ton of grease inside from PO greasing the stem that comes out.
I had to chuckle many years ago when I took the control valve apart to clean things up on my BN. There is supposed to be a sealing washer on the control valve seat. There was a Kennedy half dollar in there in place of the washer that apparently the old farmer had replaced it with. I put it back in since it seemed to be working. They took the cultivators off a couple days before the auction. First time they'd been off since new. It's a '47, and I bought it in the Fall of '73.
It was always barn kept, started right up the day of the sale and idled great. Bought it for the outrageous price of $270.00. Had intentions of driving it approx. 20 miles home but after trying to throttle it up, realized it would only rev up about 1/3, so we towed it home. Come to find out the governor bearing was out of it. Back at that time, OEM bearings were around $5. A pretty cheap fix even at that time.
Got tired of moving the cultivators around after the pipe rusted out off the control valve, so scrapped them. Still have the tractor though.
I wouldn't rely too heavily on emailing a dealer. I'd call them, you never know. I did see while doing a search there was still a dealer up in the NE can't remember where that still could get or had those parts. I'd have to guess some still use them for cultivating vegetable crops in that area.
I had to chuckle many years ago when I took the control valve apart to clean things up on my BN. There is supposed to be a sealing washer on the control valve seat. There was a Kennedy half dollar in there in place of the washer that apparently the old farmer had replaced it with. I put it back in since it seemed to be working. They took the cultivators off a couple days before the auction. First time they'd been off since new. It's a '47, and I bought it in the Fall of '73.
It was always barn kept, started right up the day of the sale and idled great. Bought it for the outrageous price of $270.00. Had intentions of driving it approx. 20 miles home but after trying to throttle it up, realized it would only rev up about 1/3, so we towed it home. Come to find out the governor bearing was out of it. Back at that time, OEM bearings were around $5. A pretty cheap fix even at that time.
Got tired of moving the cultivators around after the pipe rusted out off the control valve, so scrapped them. Still have the tractor though.
I wouldn't rely too heavily on emailing a dealer. I'd call them, you never know. I did see while doing a search there was still a dealer up in the NE can't remember where that still could get or had those parts. I'd have to guess some still use them for cultivating vegetable crops in that area.
The closest dealer to me did finally email back and the only response was : we are out of stock. Well no kidding... Haven't heard back yet when I asked if they could ask case for them. I am already assuming these are something I will have to figure out how to make myself.I'll try to get some pics in the next few days. Since you haven't had them apart yet, not sure about yours but mine had to have a ton of grease inside from PO greasing the stem that comes out.
I had to chuckle many years ago when I took the control valve apart to clean things up on my BN. There is supposed to be a sealing washer on the control valve seat. There was a Kennedy half dollar in there in place of the washer that apparently the old farmer had replaced it with. I put it back in since it seemed to be working. They took the cultivators off a couple days before the auction. First time they'd been off since new. It's a '47, and I bought it in the Fall of '73.
It was always barn kept, started right up the day of the sale and idled great. Bought it for the outrageous price of $270.00. Had intentions of driving it approx. 20 miles home but after trying to throttle it up, realized it would only rev up about 1/3, so we towed it home. Come to find out the governor bearing was out of it. Back at that time, OEM bearings were around $5. A pretty cheap fix even at that time.
Got tired of moving the cultivators around after the pipe rusted out off the control valve, so scrapped them. Still have the tractor though.
I wouldn't rely too heavily on emailing a dealer. I'd call them, you never know. I did see while doing a search there was still a dealer up in the NE can't remember where that still could get or had those parts. I'd have to guess some still use them for cultivating vegetable crops in that area.
I may have a connection to have my pressure valve 3d scanned with a very high quality scanner at a university, if so I may try to have a reproduction cast. I wonder if there would be any interest in new manufactured pressure valves? I was able to find one that was very rusted and pitted but nonetheless intact in it's two original pieces. Mine was busted up and evidence of my great grandfather having welded it several times.
I also have 3 control valves, hopefully between them I can get one good working one. Would be awesome to find something like a coin used as a washer!
By the way, did you mean this dealer was northeast, new england, or Nebraska?I'll try to get some pics in the next few days. Since you haven't had them apart yet, not sure about yours but mine had to have a ton of grease inside from PO greasing the stem that comes out.
I had to chuckle many years ago when I took the control valve apart to clean things up on my BN. There is supposed to be a sealing washer on the control valve seat. There was a Kennedy half dollar in there in place of the washer that apparently the old farmer had replaced it with. I put it back in since it seemed to be working. They took the cultivators off a couple days before the auction. First time they'd been off since new. It's a '47, and I bought it in the Fall of '73.
It was always barn kept, started right up the day of the sale and idled great. Bought it for the outrageous price of $270.00. Had intentions of driving it approx. 20 miles home but after trying to throttle it up, realized it would only rev up about 1/3, so we towed it home. Come to find out the governor bearing was out of it. Back at that time, OEM bearings were around $5. A pretty cheap fix even at that time.
Got tired of moving the cultivators around after the pipe rusted out off the control valve, so scrapped them. Still have the tractor though.
I wouldn't rely too heavily on emailing a dealer. I'd call them, you never know. I did see while doing a search there was still a dealer up in the NE can't remember where that still could get or had those parts. I'd have to guess some still use them for cultivating vegetable crops in that area.
The cylinder cup has long-since been discontinued. It looks just like a once-common water pump cup. Unfortunately, people that handle cups for water pumps all stop well below the diameter of this cylinder. There may be cups from another use (e.g. concrete pump?) that would work. Gene Bender had been making them. As far as I know he still dabbles with these systems but has slowed down. I haven't been in contact with him in a long time. I thought about seeing if the cup could be replaced with an o-ring. There are some very big o-rings on Amazon. But I haven't been inside of a cylinder to see what might work since I had that thought.
Thanks for that information, Jim. I have also thought about re-designing the piston with more modern sealing methods.. Even if an oil dripper had to be introduced to keep the exhaust gas from destroying the o-rings. This is obviously not a "practical" venture, I want to make it work because I want to see it work and use it the way my great grandfather used it. I was able to find a contact for CaseIH derectly, we will see if that yields anything and if not, well I will just have to make them I guess.The cylinder cup has long-since been discontinued. It looks just like a once-common water pump cup. Unfortunately, people that handle cups for water pumps all stop well below the diameter of this cylinder. There may be cups from another use (e.g. concrete pump?) that would work. Gene Bender had been making them. As far as I know he still dabbles with these systems but has slowed down. I haven't been in contact with him in a long time. I thought about seeing if the cup could be replaced with an o-ring. There are some very big o-rings on Amazon. But I haven't been inside of a cylinder to see what might work since I had that thought.
New England area. But that thread was several years old so...By the way, did you mean this dealer was northeast, new england, or Nebraska?
Have you tried Bates..?? I know they by a lot of NOS parts from closed dealerships. But they too may be pretty well dried. Not sure if Neatsfoot oil would bring them back to life of not.