Fuel filter for sediment bowl.

[Clemsonfor]

I was messing around on eBay and wondered if anyone has used these before and think there worth it and work?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254019212022

I also saw they have these tubes that you put in the fuel tank like a lot of more modern mowers and things will have in the tank. It's a strainer and also a stand pipe which allows it to pull fuel from above the bottom of the tank avoiding all the crud that could be on the bottom.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223427692351

The fine mesh screen in the top of the bowl I would think would keep anything out?

 

[Glen]

The 1st item you posted, It looks like the gas strainer bowl in the pic is longer than Cubs use.

Some models of tractors bigger than Cubs have a longer gas strainer bowl.

The filter may be too big, or long, to fit in the Cub bowl.

The original style screen in the strainer works ok, if the gas tank is mostly clean. My opinion.

 

[staninlowerAL]

Check out the HOW TO subforum and you will find several posts on the in-tank filter as well as other solutions to contaminated tank problems. There's also a wealth of other info/experiences there that's been shared by members over the years.

 

[Peter Person]

The 2nd one is similar to what Bill Hudson came up with using a Ford part.
http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=98978

My son is going to put one of these in his fuel tank.

Peter

 

[Gary Dotson]

I've used both types, the filter in your first link, I did not use in a Cub but in something automotive, I don't remember what it was. I think I may still have a couple of them, I'll see if it fits the Cub bowl. The one in your second link is carried by Steiner and other suppliers. I've installed a couple of them. The fit was too loose but easily fixed with a few dots of solder. I like those pretty well.

 

[Clemsonfor]

I've used both types, the filter in your first link, I did not use in a Cub but in something automotive, I don't remember what it was. I think I may still have a couple of them, I'll see if it fits the Cub bowl. The one in your second link is carried by Steiner and other suppliers. I've installed a couple of them. The fit was too loose but easily fixed with a few dots of solder. I like those pretty well.

Thanks. I was thinking the second one without something to kind of lock it in place would fit a bit loose and stuff may work by it anyway.

That would be neat if you had the first type and could see if it would fit in a Cub bowl.

I don't really think I need either cause my tank looks pretty clean to me, but I think filters are a good thing.

 

[Gary Dotson]

When I get out to the shop, after a bit, I'll see if I still have some of those. Years ago, I bought the equipment and inventory of a closed up Texaco gas station, some of those filters were among the stash. A couple different styles, as I remember.

 

[inairam]

The sediment bolt is suppose to have a fine screen at the top. http://www.tmtractor.com/new/fl/235fp.htm

Between the filter and the bowl the carborated is protected in my opinion.

I looked at the in tank filter and purchased it but it is loose so it has to be epoxied and I think it would raise the level inside the tank of the infeed to the bowl. I decided not to do it.

 

[Mike in Louisiana]

1947 to 1979 if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Just keep your gas cans and spout clean.
If you have a rusty gas tank you can use red cote or something similar.

 

[Clemsonfor]

Mike those are really my thoughts. Between the bowl the fine mesh at the top of the bowl and there is supposed to be a screen on the inlet. It should be enough unless your tank is just nasty.

 

[Bill Hudson]

... The fit was too loose but easily fixed with a few dots of solder. I like those pretty well.

Thanks. I was thinking the second one without something to kind of lock it in place would fit a bit loose and stuff may work by it anyway.

The 2nd one is similar to what Bill Hudson came up with using a Ford part.
http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=98978

My son is going to put one of these in his fuel tank.

Peter

Check out the link Peter gave you and your concern about fitting is addressed also.

Bill

 

[inairam]

What I decided I did not like:

1) that you lost some tank capacity. See the black lines that is about how much you tank capacity you lose..

2) also the carp stays in the gas tank instead of the sediment bowl. It is easy to clean out the sediment bowl not so much carp in the tank.

As much as I love this site, this is one fix/upgrade I just do not buy into. I just do not think it is fixing a problem. The sediment bowl and filter work well.

 

[Clemsonfor]

... The fit was too loose but easily fixed with a few dots of solder. I like those pretty well.

Thanks. I was thinking the second one without something to kind of lock it in place would fit a bit loose and stuff may work by it anyway.

The 2nd one is similar to what Bill Hudson came up with using a Ford part.
http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=98978

My son is going to put one of these in his fuel tank.

Peter

Check out the link Peter gave you and your concern about fitting is addressed also.

Bill

I read it as soon as it was posted. I'm talking about someone just dropping it in the tank.

 

[Clemsonfor]

What I decided I did not like:

1) that you lost some tank capacity. See the black lines that is about how much you tank capacity you lose..

2) also the carp stays in the gas tank instead of the sediment bowl. It is easy to clean out the sediment bowl not so much carp in the tank.

As much as I love this site, this is one fix/upgrade I just do not buy into. I just do not think it is fixing a problem. The sediment bowl and filter work well.

I don't think that's that much capacity. But I do agree your loosening some. Also if one was worried about stuff in the tank, you can drain it and let it dry and suck it out with a flexible tube for your shop vac. May have to reduce it down to 3/8 fuel line or 3/4 heater hose but is doable.

 

[Bill Hudson]

What I decided I did not like:

1) that you lost some tank capacity. See the black lines that is about how much you tank capacity you lose..

2) also the carp stays in the gas tank instead of the sediment bowl. It is easy to clean out the sediment bowl not so much carp in the tank.

As much as I love this site, this is one fix/upgrade I just do not buy into. I just do not think it is fixing a problem. The sediment bowl and filter work well.

I, too, don't like loosing tank capacity. Check out my narrative with the pics and you will see that your black lines for lost tank capacity are not nearly correct. Your bottom line is where I cut off the top of the sediment bowl and you top line is nearly where the top of the sediment bowl originally existed. Tomorrow, I'll go out and measure the difference in length of the material I cut off the sediment bowl and the length of collar on the filter, I'm confident they are not the same. However the difference is not nearly the distance you show between the black lines. I just went to the Cubhouse and measured (using digital calipers) two sediment bowls for the length of material I cut off .42" and .41" for an average of .415". I also measured three of the filter collars, using the same calipers .46", .48" and .47" for an average of .47". Yes, I reduced the effective tank capacity by .055". Less than 1/16", probably less than the thickness of the top black line.

I will grant your #2 point, but this modification solved the problem I was fixing.

Bill

 

[inairam]

you can drain it and let it dry and suck it out with a flexible tube for your shop vac. May have to reduce it down to 3/8 fuel line or 3/4 heater hose but is doable.

Like I said easy to clean the sediment bowl harder to vacuum out the tank.

I really do not think there is too much of a loss of capacity It is more the issue of stuff staying in the tank. But any increase in the "empty" level could trap water in the bottom of the tank and not get to the sediment bowl.

There are a bunch of posts on tank cleaning. so a clean tank, clean gas storage, and the fine mesh filter on the sediment bowl you are protecting your carb.

There are also many posts about restricted fuel flow issues. If the in-tank filter clogs or is restricting flow in some way how do you know? drain the tank and take out the sediment bowl to inspect the filter? a lot of work vs tunr off the gas, take out and dump the sediment bowl and clean or replace the filter.

I see the in-tank filter has the possibility of causing more problems then it solves. Maybe I an wrong - probably am. It is just one more thing in the fuel system. That makes the fuel system more complicated. The in-tank filter is hard to inspect and clean. It clouds troubleshooting efforts because it is one more thing that should be checked when running down a problem.

I bought 3 of these and was going to do it. Just the more I thought about it the less I liked it. Just my opinion. The original poster was asking for opinions.

 

[Gary Dotson]

(Don't NEVER NEVER EVER use a shop vac to suck out a gas tank. Utube has videos of this procedure (and the impending explosion)!
FYI. the Cub fuel bowl is too shallow to accommodate the paper filter in the first link. If a guy really wanted to use one, he could install the bowl and bail from the bigger tractors. I looked in my cabinet and found 7 of those filters, under two part #'s, The filter was the same, different gasket. These would have been intended for certain cars (trucks) from the 50's and 60's. They have been in my cabinet nearly 40 years.

 

[radioguy41]

If a guy really wanted to use one, he could install the bowl and bail from the bigger tractors.

I'm not sure there's enough room between the tank and the bellhousing to accomodate the longer bowl. I would think IH would have used one, if it had been practical, rather than create a new product code. I'd make sure before ordering one.

 

[Frozenstate]

I always did what it said on the tractor, "use clean fuel, keep it clean. No need to reinvent something thats works as it should.

 

[Clemsonfor]

I always did what it said on the tractor, "use clean fuel, keep it clean. No need to reinvent something thats works as it should.

I think most folks use clean fuel. This is probably easier than ever with today's stations and they filter before it goes in your can. And very few people use metal gas tanks to transport these days so it's in a plastic can. Not many people have bulk gas tanks like the farm did 50 years ago that may be sitting around again in a metal tank with water in it.

The problem comes from the metal tank in the tractor and if there is moisture in it, that creates rust and the rust then gets into the fuel system.

I have a 40 year old truck. It has a quadrajet which has the tiny filter in the carb. I have dual metal tanks which have rust in then, cause there metal. I run an online filter before the pump to catch most of the trash before it gets to the pump and then to my carb. I drive the truck 1000 to 2000 miles a year and after a few years I end up with a pinch of rust in that filter, not to mention what was trapped in the paper element. That's just the life with metal tanks, I also only put clean fuel in my truck. It comes right out of a gas pump which filters right before that fuel hits the fuel hose into my tanks.