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C super c and 200
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I can't think of any noteworthy changes from the Super C to the 200 either. Changes from the C to Super C were more noteworthy. The engine was given more power, mainly with a 1/8 inch increase in bore, 113 ci to 123 ci. The cooling system was upgraded with a taller radiator and standard water pump. Band brakes were changed to disc. Larger steering wheel. The Fast-Hitch was introduced late in Super C production, the first tractor with Fast-Hitch.
The 230 had some noteworthy changes from the 200. It had a completely different hydraulic system and a vastly different Fast-Hitch. The 240 and 404 were each quite different as well.
ajhbike":1t4xb51y said:Yes Jim, I just looked at a 230 yesterday and it did have a very different looking TC and FH ...and this one didn't have the front rockshafts. Maybe it is me and optics but with the same 36" tires a 200 and a 230 seem "smaller" in height and overall size
They're the same physical size. The front rockshaft on a 230 is a separate assembly specific to the cultivators, mounted corn picker, etc. that uses a hydraulic cylinder to raise & lower the attachment.
Al
Yes. The 230 typically had what was called a "Hydra-Touch" hydraulic system. It was more like the systems on the bigger tractors. It had the control functions of a Touch-Control but no rockshafts or cylinders. It was available as either a one-valve or two-valve system.Super A":22y77fmc said:ajhbike":22y77fmc said:Yes Jim, I just looked at a 230 yesterday and it did have a very different looking TC and FH ...and this one didn't have the front rockshafts. Maybe it is me and optics but with the same 36" tires a 200 and a 230 seem "smaller" in height and overall size
They're the same physical size. The front rockshaft on a 230 is a separate assembly specific to the cultivators, mounted corn picker, etc. that uses a hydraulic cylinder to raise & lower the attachment.
Al
The earlier Super C/200 Fast-Hitch used both Touch-Control rockshafts to control tilt and depth control. The 230 had one of the early Traction-Control hitches. It only used one hydraulic circuit for raise/lower. The other adjustments were mechanical.
I guess that depends on what you call rare. By the time these models came along, demand for small tractors like this was going away. Each Farmall of the series (200, 230, 240, 404) had fewer than the one before. There were a little over 7,000 of the 230. If it hadn't been for the more popular Utility versions of the later models, the Farmalls may have never been built.
Jim Becker":3r6h0h7i said:I guess that depends on what you call rare. By the time these models came along, demand for small tractors like this was going away. Each Farmall of the series (200, 230, 240, 404) had fewer than the one before. There were a little over 7,000 of the 230. If it hadn't been for the more popular Utility versions of the later models, the Farmalls may have never been built.
I suspect it's a regional thing too. You'll run across a 200 or a 230 now and then here (eastern NC.) On the other hand, I'd never seen a Farmall 404 until I got interested in old tractors, but the International version of the 404 was fairly common in my area. During that time frame, were still a lot of two-row farms here.
Al
Jim Becker":2saxn6xk said:I guess that depends on what you call rare. By the time these models came along, demand for small tractors like this was going away. Each Farmall of the series (200, 230, 240, 404) had fewer than the one before. There were a little over 7,000 of the 230. If it hadn't been for the more popular Utility versions of the later models, the Farmalls may have never been built.
Well I guess that makes sense , i never put much thought into the numbers of units being built as time goes on . Maybe it seems rare here because green appears to be very popular .
The C, Super C, 200 and 230, just seem like they would make a nice tractor on the present era small farm. Escecially a Fast-Hitch equiped model.
Dont know why they made so many changes to the hydraulics and fast hitch on the 230, but without having any experience with either, just reading about it, I think I would rather have the 200 over the 230.
However acording to tractordata.com, the 230 recieved more compression and a increase of 400 rpm.
I guess this gave the 230 five ponies more that its older sibling!
Makes me wonder if the 230 recieved a different ring and pinion to account for the higher revving engine. ???
Also wonder how the pto speed remained 540, wonder if there was gearing changes in the pto too. ???
I would not hesitate to hook a strong one up to the baler and bale some hay!
Dont know why they made so many changes to the hydraulics and fast hitch on the 230, but without having any experience with either, just reading about it, I think I would rather have the 200 over the 230.
However acording to tractordata.com, the 230 recieved more compression and a increase of 400 rpm.
I guess this gave the 230 five ponies more that its older sibling!
Makes me wonder if the 230 recieved a different ring and pinion to account for the higher revving engine. ???
Also wonder how the pto speed remained 540, wonder if there was gearing changes in the pto too. ???
I would not hesitate to hook a strong one up to the baler and bale some hay!
The hydraulic and Fast-Hitch changes from the 200 to the 230 were analogous to the changes going on with the bigger tractors. They all went to a mechanical (and sort-of automatic) traction-control system. Hydraulic depth control was eliminated. Those changes interacted with each other. Use of remote hydraulic cylinders was increasing and Touch-Control made interfacing with them difficult. The built-in cylinders of the Touch-Control were pretty small compared to typical remote cylinders. Essentially Touch-Control had designed itself into a corner.
IH material of the time claimed a power increase of 15% for the 230. The PTO was listed as 539 rpm at 1650 engine rpm, same as the C (and I presume Super C and 200). Even the 240, with an even higher rated engine speed still quoted PTO speed at 1650 engine rpm. The standard gearing was the same between the 200 and 230. Changing the rated engine speed would make a proportional change in ground speeds.
IH material of the time claimed a power increase of 15% for the 230. The PTO was listed as 539 rpm at 1650 engine rpm, same as the C (and I presume Super C and 200). Even the 240, with an even higher rated engine speed still quoted PTO speed at 1650 engine rpm. The standard gearing was the same between the 200 and 230. Changing the rated engine speed would make a proportional change in ground speeds.
SamsFarm":z31mabqv said:The C, Super C, 200 and 230, just seem like they would make a nice tractor on the present era small farm. Escecially a Fast-Hitch equiped model.
Dont know why they made so many changes to the hydraulics and fast hitch on the 230, but without having any experience with either, just reading about it, I think I would rather have the 200 over the 230.
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The Hydra-Touch on the 230 was a better system for controlling the fast hitch, and IMO the whole fast hitch was a "cleaner" assembly than the Super C/200 version. I never ran it cultivating (rode many miles on granddaddy's knee though!) but I think I would have preferred the Super C Touch Control for the front section.
Jim, I think it's been discussed before, but naturally the facts have left me---could the 230 still be ordered with Touch Control if desired?
thanks,
Al
Apparently, sort of, more or less. I have not seen any reference to it in sales material, or price lists. The same parts catalog is shared with the 200 and 230 (and eventually the 240). Touch-Control is listed in the catalog for the 200. So as far as popping in at your dealer and picking up a Touch-Control 230, no.Super A":3fo54chr said:Jim, I think it's been discussed before, but naturally the facts have left me---could the 230 still be ordered with Touch Control if desired?
thanks,
Al
But I have heard of Touch-Control equipped 230s from reasonably reliable sources (have forgotten who). Chisholm-Ryder used the 230 with Touch-Control for bean pickers. CR routinely special ordered tractors from Harvester. So 230s IH-built with Touch-Control should be out there. The CR tractors may be the only ones built that way.