B Sleeves

A

arlen

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I'm looking around for sleeves and pistons, and the ones at Yesterday's tractors are all 3 1/8 bore which is 1/8 overbore.
Does anyone carry 3" bore sets? I didn't see any on Steiner's website.
Is it even a big deal, other than the wall being 1/16 inch thinner?
I can't imagine it would add much HP.
 
When the engine on my Super A was re-done (prior to my ownership), 3.125 sleeves and pistons were used instead of 3.00. I don’t think it required any boring. It has to provide some power increase, otherwise IH wouldn’t have changed production.
 
The reduced cylinder wall thickness won't be a problem. Not a big deal.

I would go with flat topped pistons.
 
3 inch pistons with 4 inch stroke yeild 113 cubic inches
3.125 pistons with a 4 inch stroke yeild 123 cubic inches

I would want the dome pistons!

A little extra compression equals a little extra horse power!
:)

The 100, 130, 140, super C, 200, 230 and the 240 all have the 3.125 pistons!

Make sure you get the right sleeve set.
Depending on what serial number your engine block is!

Check out the Clevite brand!
Get you some quotes from nappa and summit racing too.

Beware of poor quality imports.
 
SamsFarm":187dkkzn said:
3 inch pistons with 4 inch stroke yeild 113 cubic inches
3.125 pistons with a 4 inch stroke yeild 123 cubic inches

I would want the dome pistons!

A little extra compression equals a little extra horse power!
:)

The 100, 130, 140, super C, 200, 230 and the 240 all have the 3.125 pistons!

Make sure you get the right sleeve set.
Depending on what serial number your engine block is!

Check out the Clevite brand!
Get you some quotes from nappa and summit racing too.

Beware of poor quality imports.
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I will look at the Clevite brand. Is that the brand that Napa carries?
Would the ones on Yesterday’s tractors fall under the “cheap import” category?
I found it odd that Steiner don’t list any on their website.
Can I just measure the ones I have to figure out the proper ones?
I’m not sure which one of the numbers on my block is the serial number.
There is a number on the block that matches the tractor serial number...107313. Is that what you go by?
 
arlen":2vv2a1cz said:
I will look at the Clevite brand. Is that the brand that Napa carries?
Would the ones on Yesterday’s tractors fall under the “cheap import” category?
I found it odd that Steiner don’t list any on their website.
Can I just measure the ones I have to figure out the proper ones?
I’m not sure which one of the numbers on my block is the serial number.
There is a number on the block that matches the tractor serial number...107313. Is that what you go by?
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You cant tell who is selling what anymore, best to grab a pen and paper and call as many as you can and ask them!
(Who made it, where was it made, what is included, how mush is the cost)

Dont forget that a lot of parts are available from CaseIH, even the Deere dealers can get parts for other brands of tractors! (I bought a pilot bushing for a Farmall BN last year from my local Deere dealer!)

The part of the sleeve that you need to measure is the outside diameter of the lower part, (the sleeve has to be out of the block to measure that area) from my understanding there are 2 different sizes based on which serial number range block you have.

Some tractors have matching serial numbers, some do not!
 
arlen":3f2o36aa said:
SamsFarm":3f2o36aa said:
3 inch pistons with 4 inch stroke yeild 113 cubic inches
3.125 pistons with a 4 inch stroke yeild 123 cubic inches

I would want the dome pistons!

A little extra compression equals a little extra horse power!
:)

The 100, 130, 140, super C, 200, 230 and the 240 all have the 3.125 pistons!

Make sure you get the right sleeve set.
Depending on what serial number your engine block is!

Check out the Clevite brand!
Get you some quotes from nappa and summit racing too.

Beware of poor quality imports.
Click to expand...

I will look at the Clevite brand. Is that the brand that Napa carries?
Would the ones on Yesterday’s tractors fall under the “cheap import” category?
I found it odd that Steiner don’t list any on their website.
Can I just measure the ones I have to figure out the proper ones?
I’m not sure which one of the numbers on my block is the serial number.
There is a number on the block that matches the tractor serial number...107313. Is that what you go by?
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I would go with NAPA, CARQUEST, etc.

It's been a while but the kit I put in one of my Super As was Tisco--or whatever Tisco is called now---I believe it's SMA. The individual components in the kit may be from a variety of sources.

Tell them you need a kit for an early A/B. Take your tractor serial number just to be sure.

That extra 1/8" from 113 to 123 cid is a fairly nice little boost, percentage-wise.

For the sake of discussion, The way an old-school mechanic told me, "as sorry as gas is now, don't worry with the domed pistons." The original IH Fire Crater kits you could get from IH back-when included 3 1/8" domed pistons, bigger carb jets, and different innards for the distributor. In other words, just putting domed pistons in probably won't give you the same power boost without all the other goodies. My Granddaddy put a kit (they called it a "Super C Kit") in his Super A in the 60s and he said it would go with a load in 3rd gear that he used to only handle in 2nd.

Al
 
Get them from who ever has the best parts for the best price. If steiner trips your trigger, go for it!

Me personally, I go out of my way to buy made in USA, but other people are different, since I did not call around, I dont know who has what!

Me, I want as good as OEM or BETTER! You might not be as picky as me! :)

Dont forget to add that shipping quote to the price when shopping around and / or the sales tax if you are not agricultural tax exempt!
 
Thanks for all of the advice. I admit that I grow weary of the search sometimes and just want to hit the "easy button".
The local dealer isn't much help these days, their Farmall expert just retired, and they source most parts through places like Steiner anyway.
I'm hoping I can at least get an OEM carb kit. I've heard they are the best.
 
arlen":2rxo8dmy said:
Thanks for all of the advice. I admit that I grow weary of the search sometimes and just want to hit the "easy button".
the local dealer isn't much help these days, their farmall expert just retired, and the source most parts through places like Steiner anyway.
I'm hoping I ca at least get an OEM carb kit at least. I've heard they are the best.
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I was told many parts from CASE/IH for Farmall tractors are aftermarket from A&I Products.
For a carb kit I would recommend McDonald Carb & Ignition.
 
I got my sleeves and pistons from Steiners today. They are the right measurements. I was a little disappointed to see that there are only 2 compression rings instead of 3. The pistons are much shorter skirted which maybe doesn't matter too much? The OEM are full round pistons with the oil ring on the bottom of the skirt. These have 2 compression rings, and the oil ring is above the wrist pin. Quality looks good, but they do have the made in China aura about them :-)
 
What you received is a more modern piston / ring design. They will work and perform, probably, better than the old tech parts you removed. Engineers figured out, years ago, that that excess comp. ring was a drag on efficiency, while contributing nothing. Modern ring materials are also far better than they were in the 40's. Be sure to follow the instructions carefully, when installing the rings.
 
Gary Dotson":uo4gk18d said:
What you received is a more modern piston / ring design. They will work and perform, probably, better than the old tech parts you removed. Engineers figured out, years ago, that that excess comp. ring was a drag on efficiency, while contributing nothing. Modern ring materials are also far better than they were in the 40's. Be sure to follow the instructions carefully, when installing the rings.
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Thanks for that! I’ll sleep better now :-)
 
arlen":2z4lis8h said:
I got my sleeves and pistons from Steiners today. Quality looks good, but they do have the made in China aura about them :-)
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I talked to someone at steiners today about c123 piston sleeve kit, she said she did not know where it was made, but that it WAS imported! :shock:

Looks like you'll have to scratch out the made in the USA on your tractor serial tag, and scribble in, assembled in the USA of domestic and foreign components! :lol:
 
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