80w90 GL-4 Gear Oil for Transmisssion/Final Drives

darkmuncan81

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Just sharing a product I’ve tried from Amazon, finding yellow metal safe gear oil seems hard to find these days.
Here’s a GL-4 oil that has worked great in my Cub transmission this year:

Driven Racing Oil GL-4 Conventional Gear Oil 80w-90 32oz (2 Pack)

https://a.co/d/1pEiDcn
 
If any of you have a local oil distributing company, they are worth checking out. I buy by the 5 gal bucket alot cheaper than I can get anywhere else
 
Just sharing a product guys, not saying it’s THE product. As we all know there are many options with the oils in these cubs. If you like 80w90 gear oil in your transmission and you are concerned about it being GL-4 because it is better for yellow metals then this Driven brand oil works well if you can’t find a local source.
 
I have a Willys Jeep and the manual transmission calls for 90 gear oil. I did a boat load of research and talked to all the Jeep Gurus and the leaned me to NAPA GL-1 90 wt gear oil which is a mineral oil and SAFE for soft metals like brass (Jeep synchros).

Anyway I have tested it and very happy with the results. The Farmall Cub doesn’t have “soft” metal to really be concerned with but just information some people might consider.

NJ Farmer
 
I concur. We have often discussed it on the Jeep forums and it always comes back to straight 90wt GL-1 for gears. In addition experience has shown that 80w90 will leak where straight 90w GL-1 will not. YMMV.
 
tmays":1ipke3q7 said:
Ouch! No way I’d pay some of these prices. But that’s just me, of course
Just purchased a case of generic 20W-50 engine oil. Over $5- a quart.

Tractors' oil changes are going to be spaced out a bit further apart.
 
NJ Farmer":3ivwbzbk said:
The Farmall Cub doesn’t have “soft” metal to really be concerned with but just information some people might consider.

I believe the reverse idler bushing and PTO pilot bushing are both yellow metals.
 
I bought the 90wt TSC Traveller brand oil. It labeled for Ford tractors. It's just straight 90weight mineral based gear oil good for the yellow metals.
 
Eugene":7pugr2is said:
tmays":7pugr2is said:
Ouch! No way I’d pay some of these prices. But that’s just me, of course
Just purchased a case of generic 20W-50 engine oil. Over $5- a quart.

Tractors' oil changes are going to be spaced out a bit further apart.
Oil is way cheaper to buy in the 5 qt jugs. You can get the Castrol classic 20w50 in 5 qt just for $25 at Walmart. Yes this is the same price but this is Castrol High zinc oil at least.
 
Pulled from the internet:

GL-4 Suitable for vehicles requiring an 80w90 GL-4 Mineral Gear Oil and fully suitable for use where yellow metals i.e. Brass, Phospohor Bronze etc are present. This oil is classed as an EP Gear Oil meaning it contains Extreme Pressure additive. GL4 is the first serious level of EP performance and is specified for many gearboxes and final drives from mid 1930’s onwards.

GL1 is the lowest level of performance and is only used in vintage transmissions. It is very similar to engine oil, having a very low additive content, but is available in much higher (thicker) viscosities to suit gearboxes with unsophisticated oil seals.


https://penriteoil.com.au/knowledge-cen ... -oils/1036
Originally, lead additives were used in gear oils and were very good at reducing wear in loaded gear sets. Lead though, is not very friendly to the environment and was phased out (after WW2 TM manuals were written) in favor of a Phosphorus and Sulphur combination. These gear oils used the Phosphorus and the Sulphur to attach to the gears and create a strong sacrificial layer to be worn off over the life of the fluid, thus protecting the gear from abrasive wear, high load and shock loads. Initially, the problem with this type of formulation was that the Sulphur used was active and caused corrosion of yellow and other soft metals used in transmissions and differentials. This happened because active sulphur reacted with some metals and metal alloys, especially those that used copper as the alloying element to form metal sulphides that in turn caused corrosion of the metal.
A generation ago deactivated or buffered sulfur was developed that could react with the phosphorous and create a protective and sacrificial layer in conditions created inside gear boxes. This formulation was not corrosive to brass, copper or other metal alloys used in transmissions. Today this is widely used in automotive transmission and gear oils.

Under normal operation, the sulfur/phosphorous additive forms a black sacrificial coating on the gears and anything it touches with a little pressure and temperature. As the gears turn, instead of wearing, the sacrificial coating of additives is peeled off or worn off. This is normal and acceptable in all steel gears. But when one or more of the surfaces is brass or another soft metal, the sacrificial coating is stronger than the base metal, and instead of just peeling off, it takes with it a few microns of the softer metal.
An API GL-4 gear oil of any given viscosity has about ½ of the level of sulfur/phosphorous additive that would be in the API GL-5 product, so the bond with the metal surface inside the transmission is not as strong, and therefore can be peeled off without peeling a layer of soft metal. This means that the GL-4 product provides a little less extreme pressure protection than a GL-5 oil but less wear on synchromesh components of a transmission. When a GL-5 oil is used in a transmission with synchromesh it can create up to 4 times the amount of copper in a used oil analysis as that of a GL-4 product.
 
ricky racer":3ficmbms said:
Pulled from the internet:
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What Ricky said pretty well covers it. I think the deactivated sulfur approach is why they initially though that GL-5 could be backfit to places that used GL-4. That didn't work out so well. Today you can run across oils that are labeled GL4/GL-5. A lot of the observations/rumors suggest they are really GL-5 and not totally trustworthy for a GL-4 application. I always thought, but have no proof, that gear oil odor is mostly from sulfur.

HY-Tran, and I believe the compatibles, conform to GL-4. Viscosity Oil Company has advertising that goes to great lengths to talk about how safe it is with yellow metals. Other high quality hydraulic/transmission oils probably are as well but I have not checked.
 
inairam":1ot851bx said:
For reference - The 140 does have an aluminum slinger "gear" to throw oil.
Pot metal as I recall. Either way, it has a "yellow metal" bushing. Steering gear of both the Cub and the A/140 does as well.
 
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