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Old Fergies

Postby ajhbike » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:29 am

Requested to post about my 2 Fergies. I have a 49 TO20 and a 55 TO 35 and everything works on both thank goodness.

I got the TO 20 in S Jersey and it was in pretty rough shape...rusted all over, ignition issues, etc. On a Saturday I bought an old 6x12 trailer for $300 at the same transaction with a rotting deck and old tires. I brought some 2 x 12's for the deck, loaded up the TO20 and took off for CT. In the middle of I-287 in White Plains, NY, one of the tires shredded and I was able to get into the grass at an exit. Didn't know what to do since there was no spare...checked local tire shops wanting to buy a tire and rim and no luck...the local shops didn't sell rims which was strange. So I rented a UHaul car trailer, loaded the Fergie up and drove it home. Grabbed the other 5 lug spare off of my other trailer, drove the 50 miles back to the trailer and the lugs didn't match. Removed the wheel and took it home to the local tire company for a new tire mounting and left my name and number on the trailer.

Halfway home, a state trooper called and said since the trailer was there all day he would have to have it towed. Ugh. I was exasperated by then and told him he could have the trailer if he wanted it. He said no because it was missing a wheel...LOL.

Got a new tire and went to work in NJ Monday and arranged to get the trailer out of the contractors storage yard...preparing myself for the tow charge and the $100 a day storage fee. Turns out the guy had a Fergie at home and waved the storage fee. Put the new tire on and drove the trailer home. I rehabbed the trailer, added angle iron tread to the ramp for more support and I am still using it today! (see pic).

The only negative about the TO20 is that the rears are Calcium filled and I had to use a lot of JB Weld to fix some rotting and leaks. At some point I will have to remove it and re-tube the rears, but that is a big job. Runs great, everything functions, 3 point can lift an 800 lb flail mower easily and while I do like it, I am probably going to sell it for $1200

The TO35 was much more uneventful...I rented the tandem wheel UHaul again, brought it home and only had do the fluid changes, electrical and scrape and scrape and paint. I probably use it more than any other tractor around the house because it is easy to get on and has the Hi/Lo transmission.

That is the saga of the Fergies.
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Re: Old Fergies

Postby Donegal Cub » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:14 pm

I have owned quite a few Fergies in my life and they were very popular this side of the pond, and very good tractors too, in fact I still have a 1954 diesel four cylinder Ferguson, to accompany my 48 Cub. Both your Ferguson tractors look to be in good condition. Love the colors on the 35. :{_}:

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Re: Old Fergies

Postby T-Mo » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:09 am

Per a video I found, the colors on the TO35 is correct, light gray and green.

I almost bought a TO30, but was too late making up my mind, and it sold. I looked at a TO20, but the guy wanted too much for it.

BTW, your two Fergies are really nice looking. Thanks for posting abut them.

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Re: Old Fergies

Postby ajhbike » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:30 am

I would highly recommend holding out for a TO35. The Hi/Lo is a HUGE benefit, the PTO doesn't have to be engaged for the 3 point to work, and the 3 point works like a conventional 3 pt. The TO20 has that PITA 3 pt that is either up or down and the only way to set it in between is to rig up some sort of apparatus to fine tune it.
BTW, I know the colours are supposed to be light gray and green, but mine is actually beige and green which is a year or 2 off from factory. They used the beige and green for less than a year, but I really liked it....and it is owners choice to do what I want, right?

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Re: Old Fergies

Postby T-Mo » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:54 am

I agree - they had a lot of features that make it a very desirable tractor to own. Here is a video from the '50s (though not 1950 as the title says) on the Ferguson 35.

https://youtu.be/uLUry11WOy8


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Re: Old Fergies

Postby Donegal Cub » Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:18 pm

T-Mo wrote:I agree - they had a lot of features that make it a very desirable tractor to own. Here is a video from the '50s (though not 1950 as the title says) on the Ferguson 35.

https://youtu.be/uLUry11WOy8


Enjoyed the video thanks for sharing.

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Re: Old Fergies

Postby ajhbike » Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:02 pm

Thanks for sharing that video. I remember those types of ads from when I was a kid

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Re: Old Fergies

Postby Indy4570 » Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:54 pm

I have a TE20 and a TO20, the TO has a Hupp Hi-lo extra transmission, similar to a Sherman most commonly found added to the fords. I love having the extra low gears, the high gears scare me a bit, it just goes too fast1
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Re: Old Fergies

Postby T-Mo » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:52 am

From what I gather, the TE20 were made in England, therefore the "E", and the TO20 were mad in America, either Michigan or Ontario.

You might enjoy these videos as well.




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Re: Old Fergies

Postby Indy4570 » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:45 pm

TE stands for "tractor England" TO stands for "Tractor Other", and yes all the TEs were imported, Made at the Coventry, England factory. the TO was started in Detroit. One interesting thing, my TO 20 is a 1950, about the first years they made them in the US, information claims they used a Standard engine, the TEs used Continentals. My TO sports a different manifold but it has an identical continental engine as the TE has. The TO uses a one piece transmission cover/steering gear housing, the TE has a 2 piece. there are some other differences, the TE has HF cast into most casting for "Harry Ferguson". Other changes are the one piece grill as opposed to the 3 piece grill of the TE. some differences with ports for hydraulics as well. Another cool thing is that the early Fergies had one of the first, if not the first neutral safety switch. I wondered what the S was for, it is for "start" the gear shift in S is pushed forward to engage the starter. Early TEs had a magnesium transmission case. if they caught fire often they burned a long time and nothing was left of the casting. The TE is considered to be an iconic tractor due to the 3 point system being used to this day by multiple brands.
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Re: Old Fergies

Postby T-Mo » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:02 am

The Ford 9N's, 2N's, 8N's, etc., had a neutral safety start system as well, as early as 1939. The start switch was in front of the gear shift, and if the tractor isn't in neutral, you couldn't push down on the starter switch. A lot of them over the years, were replaced by switches on the dash as owners did not want to pull the transmission cover to get to the safety switch. I saw a guy on youtube who was messing with his "new" 2N who got ran over since a previous owner put a switch on the dash. Luckily the guy survived, but was in bad shape after being run over.


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