How to gauge clutch wear

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How to gauge clutch wear

Postby Bronccat » Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:54 pm

So I have the rear main out of the 185 and as a result the drive shaft is out.

Seems like a good time to do the clutch but it seemed fine pedal wise - but when I took the bearing housing loose it just fell to the floor (like adjusting nut was gone).

There is some chatter in N idle.

What should I look for wear wise?

If I need a clutch, do I need to drop 300 with Bobs or are some of the aftermarket Ebay kits ok?

TIA

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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby outdoors4evr » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:20 am

You might want to take a look at this topic. It doesn't relate much to clutch wear, but does highlight different thicknesses of different clutches.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=105542

Honestly, if is isn't broke, I wouldn't fix it. On the 154/185 I'd be more likely to replace the clutch brake buttons and the driveshaft sheer pins.
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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby Bronccat » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:22 am

Thanks, I'm trying to live that way lol. I've had really bad cases of the "while you're at its" in the past.

Is that clutch chatter normal?

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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby BigBill » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:53 am

Clatter or chatter might be a loose flywheel pin or was replaced with a bolt. In neutral they make noise. Since it’s apart check it out fix it now.

Check the splines on the shaft and clutch disc, I had one of my 154’s were the spline on the shaft was wornout. The pressure plate had two broken springs.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby Bronccat » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:43 am

Thanks. As I said before when I pulled the shaft the adjusting rod just fell out. I don't know if it had been adjusted all the way out or ?

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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby outdoors4evr » Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:46 am

BigBill has it nailed. Clutch chatter is usually worn driveshaft splines where the clutch rides. The splines should be square shaped. If they start looking like triangles where the clutch disc rides, then both the driveshaft and the clutch should be replaced.

Also, take a close look at the clutch disc. The 5 rivets that attach the center splines to the disc may be loose and allowing movement. If the center moves at all then I would replace the clutch disc. I've tried welding them (using lots of small tag welds and water to keep it from warping) and it also didn't last.
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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby Bronccat » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:41 am

outdoors4evr wrote:BigBill has it nailed. Clutch chatter is usually worn driveshaft splines where the clutch rides. The splines should be square shaped. If they start looking like triangles where the clutch disc rides, then both the driveshaft and the clutch should be replaced.

Also, take a close look at the clutch disc. The 5 rivets that attach the center splines to the disc may be loose and allowing movement. If the center moves at all then I would replace the clutch disc. I've tried welding them (using lots of small tag welds and water to keep it from warping) and it also didn't last.
IMG_0747.jpg


Thanks I'll inspect the shaft today.

Any experience buying clutches on Ebay not sold by Bob's?

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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby Bronccat » Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:33 am

Looks a little worn...
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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby BigBill » Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:19 pm

Yup my worn spline was half that thickness. I purchased the new shaft from Hamilton bobs cubs.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby outdoors4evr » Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:54 am

There's your rattle.
Time to replace the clutch, pressure plate, and driveshaft.
Driveshafts can also be resplined.
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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby Bronccat » Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:20 am

I'm looking at clutch kits - is the "rear pressure plate flywheel" typically needed? Huge price jump for that item in the kits.

Thanks!

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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby outdoors4evr » Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:32 am

I wouldn't buy the flywheel unless it was damaged or worn beyond service. In the rear flywheel, I would replace the bushing.
https://hamiltonbobs.com/cart/product/r ... lo-boy-mm6

This is a pretty nice clutch kit.
https://hamiltonbobs.com/cart/product/c ... lo-boy-mm6

I would also do the clutch brake buttons. (since you are here)
https://hamiltonbobs.com/cart/product/c ... lo-boy-mm6
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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby Bronccat » Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:35 am

Thanks - I am looking at one of their kits with everything but the flywheel

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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby outdoors4evr » Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:35 am

This place is near me and not a forum sponsor, but you might want to compare prices.
https://www.steinertractor.com/brand-in ... utch-parts
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Re: How to gauge clutch wear

Postby BigBill » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:53 pm

I mainly deal with Hamilton bobs cubs he’s our Spencer’s he supports us we support him it’s a win/win situation.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.


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