140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

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140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby inairam » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:21 am

I went to use my 140 to clean up a light snow. I started it and went off to shovel some walks and tight areas. By the time got I back it was running for 20 minutes.

When I climbed up and put it in gear it did not want to move. It would stall when I let the clutch out like it was locked up somehow. ( No trouble getting it in gear.) Would not even try to move/ rock

left it running and got my cub and cleared the drive. I went back to it and was able to move it after maybe an hour of running.

It was in the high 20s low 30 and the rear was under a tarp before I started it.

Ice in the finals? Trans? brakes? If it is the finals and brakes I do not see how running the engine would melt the ice.

Any suggestions?
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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby tst » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:33 am

water in the transmission oil and froze

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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby SamsFarm » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:27 pm

tst wrote:water in the transmission oil and froze


Yep!

I had that with a 1951 cub I used to have.

Once the gray goo was thawed and drained.

No more lock-ups

If that is not it, then it is stuck in two gears at the same time!

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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby SamsFarm » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:38 pm

inairam wrote:I do not see how running the engine would melt the ice.


Heat transfer!

Cast iron conducts heat!

Do you have a underslung exhaust?

That could warm things up a bit too!

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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby inairam » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:07 am

What is the opinion of adding Seafoam to the trans oil and finals? After an oil change of course.

Seafoam says it controls moisture and has de-ice and anti-gel properties. It is used in engine oil.
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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby Gary Dotson » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:14 am

Why not just change the fluid, to get rid of the water?

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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby inairam » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:19 am

Gary Dotson wrote:Why not just change the fluid, to get rid of the water?


I am saying after the oil change as a preventive measure.
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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby Don McCombs » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:51 am

I think it's de-ice and anti-gel properties relates to it's use as a fuel additive. Gary has the solution to your issues. I would also flush with kerosene to get rid of any residual water and sludge.
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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby Lt.Mike » Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:20 am

Ice in the finals? Trans?

That’d be my guess too.
I had one do this. On mine it was the trans. I put a block of wood under it to set a heat gun on and left it blowing on the bottom of the case while I went in and made lunch. When I came back out it was thawed enough to move to the barn and drain.
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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby outdoors4evr » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:18 am

inairam wrote:What is the opinion of adding Seafoam to the trans oil and finals? After an oil change of course.

Seafoam says it controls moisture and has de-ice and anti-gel properties. It is used in engine oil.

If looking for a trans fluid that has a water handling property, I'd recommend using HyTran. It seems to keep water suspended pretty well - minimizing the pool of water (ice) at the bottom of the trans with the oil floating above.
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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby inairam » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:53 am

I know Hytran is speced for the later cubs and I assume the later 140. I have never used it in the trans just in the hydraulics.

Is the trans nosier with it over gear oil? I think the viscosity is like a W30, if I remember correctly, vs W90 for gear oil

I assume the protection is the same or better or it would not be speced.
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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby Eugene » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:32 am

Hytran = ISO 32 = 10W
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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby tst » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:11 am

hytran works nice except if you have leaky wet seals it is thinner and will leak more, 10 w oil is not the same, hytrans has detergents in it, not saying you cannot buy 10 w detergent but most seems to be non detergent

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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby Super A » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:35 am

inairam wrote:
Gary Dotson wrote:Why not just change the fluid, to get rid of the water?


I am saying after the oil change as a preventive measure.


Thinking out loud here: I think I would go to Hy-Tran (the real stuff, from caseIH) if I was concerned about water. Hy-Tran holds water instead of letting it settle, so I >think< it would prevent the rear end from freezing up.

However, I wasn't always paying attention in some of my science classes..... :oops:

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Re: 140 would not move in the cold like is was locked up

Postby outdoors4evr » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:41 pm

Hytran was recommended in later cubs mostly because Hytran was invented somewhere in the middle of the build timeline.
I don't think anything changed in the design of the transmission that allowed the use of Hytran. (different materials and such) It was just deemed a "better product"' for the job.

Note: Because it is thinner, some people have noticed having to wait longer for the transmission to stop spinning before shifting.
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