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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby EZ » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:28 pm

Mike, did you open the top and have a look at the slinger?
Lots of guys said you don't even need to have it.
Made of pot metal. I am sure someone posted that you could just 'bust it up' and fish out all the chunks.
I would have none of that myself. I just went in and did it.
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:37 pm

I won’t stop using the Lo-Boy and I’ll also have a plow and weights on Paula’s Cub so she can get involved this winter too. There have been some big snows in the past that were a little tough on the Lo-Boy that I’m pretty sure an A can power through. That’s what I’ve got in mind for the SA.
I’ve also been actively hunting down parts to utilize the factory auxiliary hydraulic valve and will use it to power angle the blade.
My knees feel it after a couple of hours of plowing having jumped on and off the tractor to angle the blade and that’s on a Lo-Boy. Not wanting to do that with the taller SA.
I recently wirebrushed the wheels and components to bare metal, repainted and mounted freshly painted weights with new hardware. That much is liking slick. Come spring maybe I’ll get the rest done.
On busting the slinger, someone else told me I bust the teeth off with a visegrip and overfill the trans.
No, I think I’ll deal with the rattle for now and then do it right in the spring.
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby EZ » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:22 pm

Lt.Mike wrote:I won’t stop using the Lo-Boy and I’ll also have a plow and weights on Paula’s Cub so she can get involved this winter too. There have been some big snows in the past that were a little tough on the Lo-Boy that I’m pretty sure an A can power through. That’s what I’ve got in mind for the SA.
I’ve also been actively hunting down parts to utilize the factory auxiliary hydraulic valve and will use it to power angle the blade.
My knees feel it after a couple of hours of plowing having jumped on and off the tractor to angle the blade and that’s on a Lo-Boy. Not wanting to do that with the taller SA.
I recently wirebrushed the wheels and components to bare metal, repainted and mounted freshly painted weights with new hardware. That much is liking slick. Come spring maybe I’ll get the rest done.
On busting the slinger, someone else told me I bust the teeth off with a visegrip and overfill the trans.
No, I think I’ll deal with the rattle for now and then do it right in the spring.


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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:26 am

Oh hell no!
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:00 am

EZ wrote:Mike, did you open the top and have a look at the slinger?
Lots of guys said you don't even need to have it.
Made of pot metal. I am sure someone posted that you could just 'bust it up' and fish out all the chunks.
I would have none of that myself. I just went in and did it.

Check out the gear on the left. I’m thinking it’s what’s left of the oil slinger gear.
This really shows what a problem the slinger gear is and how common the solution of just busting it out was/is. Not sure that’s a good way to deal with it.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 2880691793
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:06 am

Lt.Mike wrote:Check out the gear on the left. I’m thinking it’s what’s left of the oil slinger gear.
This really shows what a problem the slinger gear is and how common the solution of just busting it out was/is. Not sure that’s a good way to deal with it.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 2880691793

Look at the second image in that listing. The oil slinger is the gear on the right. In the first picture, the slinger is hiding behind first gear. The oil slinger may be the only good part there.

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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:25 pm

Ah...I had it backwards.
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby EZ » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:50 pm

Mike,
Don't make me come down there and remove the 8 bolts holding the lid on the tranny.
I wanna see. :D
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:02 pm

EZ wrote:Mike,
Don't make me come down there and remove the 8 bolts holding the lid on the tranny.
I wanna see. :D

Guess I’d better get to it!
:wink:
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:29 am

I pulled the shifter on my donor ‘46 A, it was bathed in a film of rusty fluid and was somewhat froze up but it cleaned up nice. Though coated in rusty oil it wasn’t rusted at all. Liberal rinsing with WD40 and gentle tapping with a small ballpeen hammer coaxed everything free.
The forks look perfect and don’t show any wear.
I picked up gear oil as though the PO said he changed the fluids and stored the tractor under cover I saw that tell tale milkshake leaking from the seals on the trailer when I brought it home.
It’s shifter is really sloppy, loose and I expect the forks won’t look as good as the one from the ‘46. I plan to pull it to see what’s happening inside with the slinger gear and I’ll rinse it out with diesel fuel.
My pickup is still taking up my barn space so the work will be done outside. Yesterday it rained and today it’ll be below freezing all day.
Can’t expect rtv sealant to setup in this weather. I may start today and put it back together tomorrow.
Should have gotten this done awhile back but I’ve been burned out on my projects, it’s hard to explain but though I need to do it, and there’s a lot to do, it’s tough to get myself moving on it again. Sometimes I can fly through this kind of work other times like lately I feel like I’m dragging an anchor.
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:30 pm

It never got above freezing today but I was in a productive mood so I dug into the SA. I decided to pull the shifter assembly to see if the cause for the rattle was obvious. I expected to find the oil contaminated, the forks worn out and or the slinger gear missing teeth.
Yesterday I had removed the shifter assembly from a donor '46 A I've had and cleaned it up. That was in really good condition and ready to swap in.

So pulling the assembly the first thing I found was the milkshake I expected.
The PO told me he kept it parked out of the weather and all the fluids were changed. Apparently not. :roll:
The forks though looked fine, there was nothing I could find wrong with them although the end of one rail was bent slightly outward. Nothing looked missing from it though.

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I drained the case and refilled with diesel, reassembled, and ran it around. I went in for lunch letting it soak then later ran it around some more.
The diesel did its job very nicely.
So the oil slinger gear isn't missing any teeth. In the photo showing the whole case an arrow points to the only seriously chipped tooth I could find.
The reverse gear seemed a little loose and if slid forward to contact the gear it would engage lightly it replicated the noise I've been hearing.
I found no teeth in the bottom of the case or in the drain pan. There were fine filings, not much but what I found on my magnet.
I also fished a broken tab out of the drain hole with my finger.
There was nothing else obvious to point at and say "thar's yo problem".

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Slinger looks fine...
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Ok, so here's the tab. What is it? What does it do? And is this letting the reverse gear rattle around?
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I inspected and compared the two shifter assemblies and didn't see where it could have come from that so I'm at a loss right now as to where it snapped off from.
Anyone know right off what it is?
I may fully disassemble the shifter assembly to see if it came from above the rails, maybe part of the shift handle that felt sloppy.
It doesn't seem to hurt the operation of the tractor any. I refilled with slightly heavier 85-140 oil hoping it might quiet it down which it did but you can still hear it. I sealed it back up with RTV which will take forever to set in this cold. It'll do for the time being.
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:39 pm

That looks to me like part of one of the shift rail guides. There may be a connection between it and the bent rail.

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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:31 pm

Jim Becker wrote:That looks to me like part of one of the shift rail guides. There may be a connection between it and the bent rail.

I’ll dismantle the assembly and get a better look.
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby Lt.Mike » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:27 pm

Lt.Mike wrote:
Jim Becker wrote:That looks to me like part of one of the shift rail guides. There may be a connection between it and the bent rail.

I’ll dismantle the assembly and get a better look.


You called it Jim!
Here is a shot showing how the carrier on the shift rod end is bent (upper arrow).
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I disassembled it to find the damage hidden above the rails.
Here is the part I found held to where it broke off from.
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It looks like there are 2 more pieces to be found.
wondering now if one of them is hidden down deep causing the rattle I hear (?).
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If memory serves me right, was it you Stanton or Urbish that made a repair for this very thing?
I gather this isn't all that uncommon a problem.
At least if your rough on it, which the PO probably was.
That's a B&M racing shifter handle he had installed. :roll:
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I reassembled it with red bearing grease. It'll go back on the donor A until I find a replacement for the damaged piece or repair it depending on how motivated I am. ;)
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Re: Video source and advice for trans repair

Postby EZ » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:49 pm

Good on you Mike for 'going in'.
Good news on the slinger intact.
Hope the relative small repairs will have you rattle free.
Also, Thanks for making me, 'not come down there'.
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