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Corn planting

Postby Jack » Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:52 am

Hello all, I have a question, I don't know if I'm missing something or if I'm doing something wrong.
I have a 174 runner planter, last season I had alot of gaps in the rows 3' 4' gaps, so this season I changed the sprockets to get a different spacing. The corn is growing, but again I have alot of gaps again 3' 4' ( no corn) some even more of a gap in corn. Am I doing something wrong? I'm getting frustrated any help or ideas would be appreciated
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Re: Corn planting

Postby Don McCombs » Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:03 am

I know zero about using the 174 planter, but several things come to mind. Perhaps the cell size on the seed plate is too small for the seed you are using. Check for kinks or an obstruction in the seed tube.
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Re: Corn planting

Postby Jack » Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:10 am

I got new seed plates from lincoln AG. I had them size the plate to the seed i plant, i bought 2 different plants, also using the original metal drop tube.
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Re: Corn planting

Postby tinnerjohn » Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:27 am

I've never used a 174, but a JD 290 I had did that if there wasn't enough seed in the hopper to keep the bottom covered. Also, did you physically check the seeds in the plate cells? I've had sweet corn seed that was graded well. Just a couple thoughts that come to mind. Let us know what you figure out! Good luck.

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Re: Corn planting

Postby Jack » Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:49 am

I did check to see if the seeds fit into the cells properly, also I had approximately 5000 seeds in the hopper
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Re: Corn planting

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:52 am

It seems that most seed these days is not well graded by size. Evidently the seed companies think everyone is now using air planters. Finding a seed cell size that works well can be difficult. If the cell is big enough for the largest seed, it is likely to get 2 of the smaller ones together in a single cell. The two small seeds may drop together and give you 2 plants tight together. They may also stick in the cell and cause a skip for a few revolutions of the plate until they eventually drop through. This can give a pattern of every twelfth (or 16th or other number) plant being missing in the row. Having more than one cell blocked can change the pattern. If you have a long gap with absolutely no plants followed by solid plants with no skips, something else might be going on. Without seeing exactly what your row looks like, I can't say whether this is what is happening to you.

At one time, the dealers had test machines that you could try your seed and plate together and it would drop the seed into cups so you could look for skips without burying the evidence. My father always finished his planter set-up by running it on the driveway at the same speed he planted at. Then we checked the seed on the driveway for skips. I think you might be able to learn something from trying the same.

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Re: Corn planting

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:08 am

Go back and read the part of the 174 Owner's Manual that covers plate selection for the combination hopper. It is page 20 of this manual:
Cub-174 Planter 5-28-54-1B OCR
It is in the PDF manuals at:
Farmall Cub / Cub Attachments / Planters-Fertilizer

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Re: Corn planting

Postby Jack » Sat Jun 08, 2024 12:52 pm

Jim Becker wrote:Go back and read the part of the 174 Owner's Manual that covers plate selection for the combination hopper. It is page 20 of this manual:
Cub-174 Planter 5-28-54-1B OCR
It is in the PDF manuals at:
Farmall Cub / Cub Attachments / Planters-Fertilizer

Thank you I will check it out
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Re: Corn planting

Postby raystractors » Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:47 pm

I have had trouble with the packer wheel stopping from rocks or field trash. This can cause the seed to be moved down the row leaving skipped hills in the row.

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Re: Corn planting

Postby Jack » Sun Jun 09, 2024 8:51 pm

I'm not sure if that's the case in my field
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Re: Corn planting

Postby Bill Hudson » Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:14 pm

Aside from seed plate potential problems, here are other possibilities:
-planting depth ~1.5 inches (depending on soil moisture)
-fertilizer placement
-fertilizer amount
-fertilizer analysis
-seed-to-soil contact
Worn parts and/or improperly adjusted can be major contributors to uneven emergence. Some closeup pics of the planter parts, while lifted out of the ground, would be a big help to help identify what may be contributing to the problem.
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Re: Corn planting

Postby Jack » Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:01 am

I didn't fertilize at the same time I planted, also I took the runner planter off of the cub and I put my cultivators on now, so I couldn't get any pictures at this time. One thing I did notice is there is alot of free play in the teeth of the countershaft, I'm not sure if that could contribute to the issue, or if I could of had the drop tube shoved to far into the planter.
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Re: Corn planting

Postby tmays » Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:20 am

I rarely use my planter anymore, but when I did, like Jim’s father, I’d do a test run in my driveway. Next time you have yours hooked up, I’d do the same. Have a helper watching so that he can stop you as soon as seeds don’t drop so you can take a look at what’s going on.
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Re: Corn planting

Postby Jack » Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:21 am

Thank you
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Re: Corn planting

Postby Bill V in Md » Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:56 am

I have heard adding a little baby powder in with corn seeds may help to improve uniform seed spacing. It adsorbs moisture and minimizes clumping of seeds. It also lubricates seeds to improve flow.
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