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Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby CDKL » Wed May 25, 2022 5:58 pm

Hello all, again I'm looking for experienced advise here. Ive had my on a Cub and talked with the seller back and forth. Today he called me and told me that he also had a 41' Allis Chalmers B for sale. Both tractors are in excellent condition. The cub is a 48' I like them the looks of them both however my pocket won't allow that. I just want the one that's going to best suit my needs. Gardens and light plowing here and there is my intentions with either I purchase. Which one has better support and more implements available. The Allis is around a grand cheaper, Both come with cultivators only. I need to add a set of disc harrows and single bottom plow. Thanks in advance for any advise you have.


thanks,
Chris

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby staninlowerAL » Wed May 25, 2022 6:40 pm

JMHO, I would consider what each tractor has for operating hydraulics. A '48 cub had a TC system available and many were made/sold but a lot of them still used manual lift. Allis B also had manual lift and later versions had a high pressure/low volume hydraulics. For my 2 cents worth the Farmall Cub TC is far superior to the Allis Chalmers system. In my area A/C implements are almost non-existant. You might have better luck in the mid-west where they were more popular. There's a lot of support and knowledge on this forum for IH. There's also an Allis forum (I'm a member of both) but you'll be hard pressed to beat the Farmall Cub Forum for help and support. Finally, there were a LOT more small IH tractors made than Allis from 1940-1980. Example: there were about 105,000 AC B tractors made and later another approximately 10,000 D10 and D12 models whereas there were around 350,000 Farmall and IH cubs built between 1947 and 1979. For comparison, a competitor-AVERY/Minnapolis Moline, made about 8,500 10hp manual lift, one row tractors between 1947 and 1952. I have several of each. :D :hattip:

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby CDKL » Wed May 25, 2022 6:52 pm

Thank you for your response. Im not sure which direction to go, I will have to see if the cub has TC. I have 0 experience in knowing what to look for. I can post a pick if that would help.

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby CDKL » Wed May 25, 2022 7:13 pm

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby staninlowerAL » Wed May 25, 2022 7:25 pm

Pictures look good, TC hydraulics. I would look for leaks, welds on broken castings, oil pressure, electrical system original or converted, etc. anything that might need repair or changing in the future. The grill is not original for a '48. Might have been replaced, the only way to know for sure is to check the casting codes on major components and compare with the SN ID data plate. Early cubs had a history of broken casting where the engine bolts to the front end.

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby Jim Becker » Wed May 25, 2022 7:29 pm

Note that the AC B has more power than a Cub, closer to a Farmall A in power. Beyond that one plus for the AC, the Cub is better in every respect I can think of. Besides what Stan said, the Cub is more comfortable, particularly when cultivating as you can see the row without straining your neck. Getting on and off is easier. As I recall, the AC hydraulics were not "live", requiring the clutch out to operate, maybe needed the PTO engaged too. Mounting the AC cultivators required harder lifting as the front and rear of each side is one piece.

The Cub you posted pictures of has Touch-Control. Cultivators mounted is good, as you know it is pretty complete. Check if the drawbar is with it, as it is removed for the cultivators. The full set of wheel weights is a a plus. Note that it has a later style replacement carburetor (not good or bad, just fact).

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby staninlowerAL » Wed May 25, 2022 7:32 pm

Jim is correct, AC B requires the clutch to be engaged to operate the PTO and hydraulics.

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby Eugene » Wed May 25, 2022 7:45 pm

Not gonna suggest which tractor to purchase. All depends on what you want to use the tractor for.

I have owned a B Allis, currently own the Cub, and several Allis Chalmers tractors.

The B Allis' PTO is the standard 540 rpms. Cub is not standard.

I suggest you survey your local for implement availability for the Cub and the Allis. In my neighborhood there were several Allis dealerships in the county in the 1950's as well as one IH dealership.

Parts for both tractors are readily available; AGCO/Allis, Case/IH - New Holland, local auto parts store, and the internet.
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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby CDKL » Wed May 25, 2022 7:57 pm

Thank you guys for the great info. Unfortunately implements are pretty scarce in my area for both. I’ll just have keep my eyes open for a set of discs and a moldboard. Either of them come with cultivators. I sent a couple of PM’s asking a favor.

:D

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby staninlowerAL » Wed May 25, 2022 8:39 pm

Here's what a AC B looks like. This is a '49, early models had hand operated brakes operated by a lever on either side of the operator's seat.
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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby Eugene » Wed May 25, 2022 9:53 pm

Some implements are tractor model specific, some aren't.

How much land do you own/maintain? Shop space or indoor tractor storage area?

if you have a large enough area, drawbar pulled implements are available.
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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby ajhbike » Thu May 26, 2022 3:41 am

If the B has a 3 point hitch along with the standard 540 PTO there will be many, many more implements available.

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby CDKL » Thu May 26, 2022 6:22 am

Eugene wrote:Some implements are tractor model specific, some aren't.

How much land do you own/maintain? Shop space or indoor tractor storage area?

if you have a large enough area, drawbar pulled implements are available.


Right now just about 10 acres, but not all of that will be maintained. 99% of its work will be a smaller garden.
Storage area, for now will be in our garage (carport). I would eventually like to add some type of bush hog if its possible.


Thanks,
Chris
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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby staninlowerAL » Thu May 26, 2022 9:45 am

One of the big problems with older equipment is changing the implements, sometimes a lot of work and time consuming. 3 point hitch connections help to simplify the process but there's a tradeoff. Neither one is perfect for every situation.

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Re: Farmall Cub or Allis Chalmers B

Postby Eugene » Thu May 26, 2022 10:38 am

CDKL wrote:Right now just about 10 acres, but not all of that will be maintained. 99% of its work will be a smaller garden.
Storage area, for now will be in our garage (carport). I would eventually like to add some type of bush hog if its possible.
10 acres and bush hog.

I'm with Stan on this. Suggest a more modern tractor than the Cub or Allis B, and a bit more horsepower. The B Allis, fresh rebuilt engine, I owned would bush hog in 1st gear but not 2nd gear.

OH. Allis used a piston powered hydraulic pump. Fairly expensive to repair.
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