L-38 Disk Harrow

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L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby K_Wiz » Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:12 am

:help: I Purchased a L-38 Disk Harrow a few years back. However it did not include the A frame part or the chain lift part. I remember many years ago that someone posted dimensions to make one. Can you point me to a link or a place to purchase them. Thanks in Advance
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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby tst » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:15 am

that is not a L38 which is for a lowboy, your pic is just for a 38 disc harrow

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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby K_Wiz » Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:54 pm

I may be mistaken however from the manual and pictures in the manual I believe it to be an L-38. I am looking for dimensions to make the A frame and the chain hoist.
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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby Don McCombs » Sat Mar 26, 2022 4:22 pm

The manual that is referenced above has always been very confusing to me. It shows three very different disk harrows for three different Cub tractor setups, none of which are interchangeable, all with the same model designation. What makes it even more confusing is the sentence following the photos and above the word “Introduction”, which adds six more model designations.
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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:40 pm

I just typed all this stuff in. I'm not ready to read it again to see if it makes sense. Sorry if it is too messy!

This started out as a simple coding to tie a model designation back to the tractor the implement fits. K_Wiz, part of where you are getting tripped up is that you are reading the first sentence of the introduction as a reference to an "L-38" harrow. It is actually about a "Cub L-38" harrow. That is what the front cover of the manual says too.

When the naming scheme was started, I think when the letter series tractors came along, there were rules for setting the model number. With an established number, a letter was stuck on the front to identify what tractor it fit. For example, there was a sickle bar mower with the number 21. There was a version for the Super A called the A-21. There was a version for the C called the C-21. If an implement fit more than one model, fairly common with H and M, it got both letters, for example the HM-238 cultivator. The Super C came along and largely used the same implements as the C. So the C-21 still fit. No problems yet. Sometimes, implements with the same number had less in common than these mowers. But is still worked. The A-144 cultivator was a lot different from the Cub-144 cultivator. But they were both one-row cultivators so the shared number made sense.

Then they introduced Fast-Hitch for the Super C and most implements needed to be redone. So they added an F to the implement name. The Fast-Hitch version of the previously mentioned mower became the C-F21.

This brings us up to 1954. Fast-Hitch is added to the Cub. Some implements need a few small changes to work with a Fast-Hitch but don't REQUIRE a Fast-Hitch to fit. Those implements get modified and the letter A is stuck on the end. Thus a Cub-144 cultivator with modifications becomes Cub-144A. The grader blade with modifications goes from Cub-54 to Cub-54A. At the same time, new implements that require a Fast-Hitch get the letter F, exactly as was done for the Super C. Out comes a new single gang disk for the Fast-Hitch Cub. The number 38 is set and the full model name becomes "Cub-F38".

Meanwhile, the A, C, H, and M tractors were replaced by the 100, 200, 300, and 400. So now the digits 1 through 4 start getting used for new implements. If you had something that worked with both the old and new tractors, it got both. Thus the updated A-34 bean harvester became the 1A-34. Worse yet, the "A Cub-33" bean harvester became the "1A Cub-33". This multimodel thing was just getting worse as more Fast-Hitch tractor models could share implements.

Somewhere around 1958, they decided it was enough. All the tractor model prefixes were dropped, except for Cub implements. I suppose it was because so many mubers were shared with the Cub and 140. If the actual IMPLEMENT was shared, the prefix went away. Thus, the "1 Cub L-F1" platform carrier was changed to the "No. 1".

Back to the other 6 names (I wonder if the editor didn't know what existed and put in everything he could think of):
Cub-F38 was the original for the Cub.
A-38 was the original for the Super A (isn't in the list of 6). The hitch is similar to the Cub non-Fast-Hitch design. Machine was narrowed for the Cub, otherwise the same.
1A-38 was A-38 after the 100 tractor came out.
1-F38 was the A-38 with a Fast-Hitch prong. (Not clear to me this was/should have been used as the model was available with conventional direct attach, ths the F was wrong.)
Cub-38 removed the F designation after the non-Fast-Hitch option was available.
Cub-38A the A suffix implies some noteworthy change, may have nothing to do with the hitch.
L-38 would be a Lo-Boy specific implement, not sure this was ever correct. This is like the difference between a Cub-22 and L-22 mower.
1F-38 would be the Fast-Hitch version for a 100 tractor.

If you want to see a complete mess, check out the 2-point platform carrier. The only difference in the parts was 2 prong sizes and 2 choices of board lengths. There were 6 model designations I am aware of. The worst was probably these 2:
"2CK-FTC1" which is 200, Super C, 230 tractors with Fast-Hitch, with Traction Control.
"34U-FTC1" which is 300, 400, 300 Utility tractors with Fast-Hitch, with Traction Control.
The second one has the large prongs and longer boards.

The use and distribution of spaces and dashes in these names seems to have been inconsistent, probably due to confusion in the whole system.

Is it clear now?

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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby Don McCombs » Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:02 am

Thanks, Jim. Your explanation is clear, even though IH's naming system was not. :D
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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby staninlowerAL » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:31 am

Don McCombs wrote:Thanks, Jim. Your explanation is clear, even though IH's naming system was not. :D

Completely agree with Don. Once again I am completely amazed at the scope of knowledge of Mr. Jim Becker!!!!! :worthy:

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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby tst » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:57 am

see, its all easy to remember

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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby SamsFarm » Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:06 pm

(Take II) :(

I have the "International Cub L-38 Disk Harrow" manual, publication number 1 009 881 R2, dated 5-10-66-5A, just like the one in the pdf manuals section.

Page 3 shows a pic of the standard height cub fast-hitch disk.
Below that a pic of the cub lo-boy fast-hitch disk

Page 4 a pic of the drawbar mounted standard height cub "lift type" disk. (Just like the pic posted by K_Wiz)

Page 7 is the leveling and angling adjustments for the fast-hitch disk on the standard Cub

Page 8 is the leveling and angling adjustments for the fast-hitch disk on Cub lo-boy

Page 9 is the leveling and angling adjustments for the "direct connected" disk on a standard height cub.

Maybe Ih did give exact model designations to each disk, (I am not arguing that!), but it is clear to me how anyone with this manual (or one similar) would simply call their disk a L-38!

But.......

On page 5 at the very top it states;
"The instructions contained in this manual also cover the Cub-F38, Cub-38, Cub-38A, L-38, Cub-138, and 1-F38 single cut disk harrows." :shock:


Now......

Page 4, 9, and 15 shows the angle iron pieces that bolt to the standard Cub drawbar that the front of the disk attaches to.
That is what K_Wiz is looking for a blueprint for to make or have made!

He even posted a better pic of the parts he needs than what is shown in my manual.

Surely someone has these.

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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby K_Wiz » Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:44 pm

I hate to say it but all I wanted was a few measurements not the history. I have the L-38 I need the A frame price that connects to on the draw bar and would need dimensions in order to fabricate what is in the parts schematic DEPRESSING.

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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby SamsFarm » Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:35 pm

Sorry Buddy, I guess all the owners of the part your looking for are "out to lunch" so to speak!

Looks like you basically asked for some help on this before and had no luck! ⬇️

http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93683&p=739178&sid=9f1fbe0be08f9efd8764a5ff50a4beb9&sid=9f1fbe0be08f9efd8764a5ff50a4beb9#p739178

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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby K_Wiz » Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:03 pm

Yes Wow! Looks like I will just have to post pictures of my fabrication So Sad Very Sad

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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby CapeCodCubs » Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:36 pm

Reach out to John Hargis at JP Tractor. He might have a parts harrow with rusted or worn out disks. I have fast hitch versions of the disk and I might just might have the parts you are looking for. I got a bunch of disk parts from a guy who took the version you have to make a fast hitch. Try John and call me tomorrow as well. 781-225-861zero

I think I know where the parts I have are, just some stuff in front of the files cabinets- storage wall. If I have them, they are yours, pay shipping

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On a side note: I found Mr. Becker’s explanation of the disk numbering and the evolution of what was offered an interesting read. Thanks
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Re: L-38 Disk Harrow

Postby Don McCombs » Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:42 pm

K_Wiz wrote:Yes Wow! Looks like I will just have to post pictures of my fabrication So Sad Very Sad

Don't be discouraged. Your request has only been posted for five days. Not everyone on the forum reads it every day. Add to that, the harrow you are asking about is not very common. Be patient and the information you seek will come.
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