Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

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Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby andersonbw » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:53 pm

I've been using a JD71 plate planter the last few years. While it is green, it is simple and works well. :wink: Unfortunately, the deer on my land love the sweet corn and anything else I plant as much as I do. They probably get about 2/3 of the corn and all of the sunflowers and/or beans. Rather than follow my primal instincts and thin the herd, I've decided to increase my planting density. The hope is to give the deer theirs -- and keep enough for me.

With a single row, it is hard to plant on row spacings less than 40". I've been wanting to try to decrease my row spacing and plant at 24" centers. My fear was that the Cub wouldn't be able to lift TWO Planters. Well after doing the calculations, I could see that is was very close so I decided to give it a try.

I rigged up my shop lift to actually measure the weight of the planters plus the fast hitch "at the rockshaft". I measured ~492 lbs. This is the total weight of fasthitch, toolbar and two planters. If I understand correctly, 300 lbs at the rockshaft if HALF of the maximum load. Therefore the max would be 600 lbs. I think I'm good to go. Am I think about this correctly????

I've built it and lifted it with the Cub hydraulics. It didn't seem to struggle or be an issue for the tractor. Now I'm not really planning to fill the hoppers with maximum seed weight and do any terrace jumping, but it does seem like the lift can handle the weight.

In any event, I thought I'd share this with the group for any of those who were thinking about adding a second fasthitch planter.

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:58 pm

That sounds good. If you don't have any front wheel weights on it, you should try to add a set. Two sets would be better.

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby andersonbw » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:03 pm

That is a good idea Jim. I have one set installed but I can imagine it might be a bit too light to steer the rows accurately. I'll be on the lookout.

I know you know these tractors very well based on your many posts and great assistance to members like me. In your opinion, do you think the o-rings in the touch control will hold up transporting this weight??

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby SamsFarm » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:13 pm

Are you sure you want to go 24" rows?

Be hard to cultivate 24" rows!

I do 30" rows with deere 71 planters with a 3 point tractor and cultivate with my cub. The cub tires are set for 40" centers, and I had to cut about 4" off of each rear tool bar so as not to catch the crops with the rear tool bars knocking the corn down!

Good luck with the critters!

I am looking to get me some electro-netting and exclude the pesky critters!

What ever you do, PLEASE update us throughout the season on how everything is working out!

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Your 71 planter units are the first ones I ever saw with the open center packer wheels!
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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:20 pm

Since what you are doing is a bit of an experiment, I second SamsFarm's request for updates on how it works out.

I don't think the tractor will have any problem handling the weight. The IH platform carrier is rated for 350# capacity when on a Farmall Cub. The carrier itself (with boards) is around 125#. The way you measured your required lifting force, at the socket, overstates the actual weight of the planter. I suspect if a loaded carrier was measured the same way, the lifting force would be very close to the same. The weight of the planter being farther back than the expected load on a carrier, plus your seed weight add up to using it with a bit of extra caution. But I think you should be okay. The main thing is to watch out for irregular ground surface. Don't hit any big bumps at speed. You don't want the planter to bounce on the hitch. The added force on the "down part" of a bounce can be huge.

On cultivating 24" rows, I would probably try doing 2 rows at a time. Set your wheel spacing at 48", which it looks like you already have. On the front, I would probably tie the two sides together, maybe with a tool bar in place of the extensions that work close to a single row. Set the shovels to work between the two rows. Use the rear section to take out the tire tracks, or maybe not use it at all. The drawback of doing this is the clearance under the tractor is much less a foot off center than it is at the center. You will be restricted by the final drive housings/pans and the Fast-Hitch bail/brackets. You may only be able to cultivate until the corn is 12 or 14 inches tall. Maybe that is all you need. You also need to beware that the pair of rows being cultivated at one time needs to be a pair that was planted at one time. Spacing between two passes of the planter usually isn't precise enough for cultivating together.

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby andersonbw » Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:58 am

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Jim and SamsFarm.

My plan is to cultivate two rows at a time. I've set the tractor up for 48" centers and plan to fabricate a single toolbar hung from the existing "cultivator gangs" or clamps. I've been trying to find a toolbar that is 1 3/8" square for the last two weeks. Finally think I have one coming. I think these non-standard sizes are in short supply.

I'm planning to used a spider cultivators on the outside of the twin rows and then some combination of sweeps/chisels on the inside. Then use a fertilizer stream divided to side-dress two rows at a time on the inside.

I'll post some pictures as I make some progress on the toolbar and stream divider.

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby andersonbw » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:03 am

Oh one other thing. The fast hitch prong that I used was from a two prong setup and provides the planter toolbar in the proper "diamond" orientation.

I cut about 2 1/2" out of the center of this prong to reduce it's length -- and hence the moment arm that is carrying the planters. This 2 1/2" reduction shaved almost 100 lbs off of the weight "at the rockshaft". It just shows how much the amount of cantilever affects the load on the lifting mechanism.

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby Super A » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:43 am

I like that setup. We used to have four 71s on a toolbar like that, and I am kicking myself years later for letting them go!

On the deer, they're probably just going to walk down the row and get full faster. Your primal instinct will probably be the most effective solution.

Please update us when you use it.

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby Don McCombs » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:55 am

Super A wrote:Please update us when you use it.


The planter or the primal instinct? :D
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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby Super A » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pm

Don McCombs wrote:
Super A wrote:Please update us when you use it.


The planter or the primal instinct? :D

1. Shoot 2. Shovel 3. Shut up.

So definitely the planter! :lol:

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby SamsFarm » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:57 pm

I used to not mind sharing with the wildlife some, but it seems the wildlife really has a problem sharing with me!

The wildlife are the worst dinner guests! They generally like to eat most everything before the host gets a bite!

I planted a nice stand of field corn (about 1/3 acre) last season and came up with less than two 100# feed sacks of ear corn. I was hoping for a pickup load!

The only way I see to keep my sanity is wildlife exclusion!
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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby andersonbw » Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:11 pm

I've made some progress on my project to decrease the row spacing from 40" to 24". Here is my progress to date on the two row cultivator and side dresser setup.

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Cultivator Setup View From Right Side

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Cultivator Setup Viewed From Left Side


I've installed the spider cultivators on the outside of the rows and two 7" sweeps in the center. I waiting on two farmall fertilizer injector knives to mounted on the inside of each of the two rows.

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Fertilizer Injector Knife


Here are the attachments for the universal mounting frame:
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Tool Bar Clamp
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Tool Bar Clamp Bottom View
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Clamp Detail

Just a bit of angle iron and some plate welded together to clamp to the 1 3/8" square bar.

I'll post some more pictures as I make more progress.

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby Clemsonfor » Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:53 pm

andersonbw wrote:I've made some progress on my project to decrease the row spacing from 40" to 24". Here is my progress to date on the two row cultivator and side dresser setup.

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I've installed the spider cultivators on the outside of the rows and two 7" sweeps in the center. I waiting on two farmall fertilizer injector knives to mounted on the inside of each of the two rows.

2022-02-24 160608.png

Here are the attachments for the universal mounting frame:
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Just a bit of angle iron and some plate welded together to clamp to the 1 3/8" square bar.

I'll post some more pictures as I make more progress.


I was going to buy one of those injectors last year from Agri Supply but didn't. I will probably buy one this year. Last year I just ran the tube behind a sweep.

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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby Dusty B » Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:44 pm

Did it the easy way! 2 row 290 deere adjusted to 30" row spacing - can still do cultivating 1 row at a time w/o all the fabrication! It also has fertilizer already mounted! Any body have check wire and planter stakes so I can check it?? LOL !!!
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Re: Fast Hitch Two-Row Planter Setup

Postby Super A » Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:57 pm

Dusty B wrote:Did it the easy way! 2 row 290 deere adjusted to 30" row spacing - can still do cultivating 1 row at a time w/o all the fabrication! It also has fertilizer already mounted! Any body have check wire and planter stakes so I can check it?? LOL !!!


I didn’t realize a 290 would go that narrow. Good info to have!

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