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Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:45 pm

Gonna go look at a Wagner loader this weekend for sale, wondering if anyone out there has one and could send pics or upload pics of all the mounting points as well as up close pictures to reference for installation if I purchase. Thanks guys this forum is so helpful.

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Crimson Tim » Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:24 pm

What kind? I know of two. My impression is that the Wagner 45 is better documented, is a newer model, a generally a more advanced design and therefore more common. If it’s a WM-1, it is pretty rare but very basic. There are a couple of us trying to piece together some incomplete ones now, and a couple of us out there with WM-1s mounted and functional.

Just to make things more interesting, there were 3 different versions of the WM-1. Not sure how many different versions there were of the 45.
And of course, different mounting setups for the F-cub versus loboys.

Manuals for both are listed in the manuals section at the upper left of the page.

It’s a lot easier to check out if it is mounted on a tractor so you can see if it’s all there. Much harder to sort out if it’s just a heap of pipes on the ground and you’re not familiar with the setup.

Got any pictures to start from? Then we can narrow it down to which one you are looking at.

I have amassed quite a few pictures of various aspects of the WM-1. Mostly the version that I am trying to bring back to life, but a few of the other versions, too.

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:40 pm

It was recently on his cub and just taken off so most if not all parts should be there, I have some photos but am unsure how to post them into the forum. Do you know how to and I can upload what I have for pics? I know it has a hydraulic tilt bucket if that narrows down the models. I do have a twin draulic manual bucket I bought cheap but came across this one and it’s in better condition. Not to mention has the hydraulic bucket I wanted.

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:56 am

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:56 am

I was able to put this photo up

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Crimson Tim » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:40 am

That appears to be a WM-1 with modifications. Originally, it would have had a trip bucket instead of a hydraulic bucket. It looks like he put a larger hydraulic reservoir on the top cross member, probably to provide additional fluid volume to deal with the additional cylinder added to control the bucket.

The frame looks too downhill to my eye with respect to the tractor, but it’s probably just the camera angle. Possibly the front bracket is bent? Maybe someone who has theirs mounted could weigh in on that?


It also looks like the bend in the bucket arms has been changed. Here’s mine for comparison.

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The main things that get forgotten are the mounting brackets. You should have a fairly straightforward bracket from the frame down to each final drive and sort of a wonky L-shaped bracket from the front of the frame around the right side of the steering box to the square implement mounting hole.

Definitely download the manual. Print out and take the exploded parts views with you when you look at it.

Edit: I guess that front bracket is more U- or C-shaped than L-shaped. Check the parts diagram.
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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:55 am

Okay awesome thanks a bunch for the info.

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:18 pm

Also Ive heard that the loaders and snow plows can cause stress cracks on the engine block. Any ideas on how to keep that from happening?

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:44 pm

Early version WM 1 only fits standard cub, not low boy.

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:07 am

Awesome thanks, I see you have some brackets on your motor did you order those or make them? Is that to help support the motor from stress cracks?

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:49 pm

Pwalker21 wrote:Awesome thanks, I see you have some brackets on your motor did you order those or make them? Is that to help support the motor from stress cracks?
Those were mad by Rick Prentice. So far as I know he is no longer making them, but I believe there is another member that is selling them.
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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Bob McCarty » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:52 pm

PM Berlin (forum name Bezirk). He's having them made now.
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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:45 am

Okay thank you

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Pwalker21 » Sun May 02, 2021 9:20 am

So I picked up the loader and it has been modified a bit but looks like everything g works. My only question as of now is on the hydraulic by pass which line is the pressure line? And which is the return line? He has a bypass block on it already but it only has the line that goes to the bottom of the by pass block. Shouldn’t there be another coming straight off of it according to everything I e read? Or because it has a secondary reservoir does it not need that one. Thanks for any help.

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Re: Wagner loader

Postby Jim Becker » Sun May 02, 2021 1:44 pm

The pressure line comes out of a fitting on the end of the manifold. The return or power beyond connection from the loader valve goes to the bottom of the bypass block. The feed from the bottom of your auxiliary reservoir (if you have one) goes to the Touch-Control filler.

Once you have the bypass block in place, don't even think about starting your engine without the pressure line connected. The price you paid for the loader will look like a bargain compared to the dollars worth of damage you can do if the line isn't connected.

Look at the last picture on this page at TM Tractor for a little more guidance on connecting the hoses.
http://www.tmtractor.com/tm-tractor/gim/loader_003.htm


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