Steering shaft length.

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Steering shaft length.

Postby Masmith » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 am

I was fortunate enough to find a great running 1966 Loboy a mile from my house. I noticed it was more difficult to get on and off than the other 58 Loboy and regular cubs. After giving it a closer look the steering shaft is about 4 or 5 inches longer than the other tractors. Is this common?
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby inairam » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:22 am

In 1964 1/2 they changed the gear in the steering box from 21 teeth to 24 teeth to make is easier to turn and for some reason also extended the shaft 3 inches. I have cut several down and machine the keyway and threads to make it easier to get in and out.
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Cubfriend » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:28 am

After looking at the parts manual TC-37F, Dated 8-79, it appears that the shaft length changed when the big steering gear changed to 24 teeth instead of the earlier 21 tooth gear in middle of 1963. Serial #16775 and below had 21 teeth and a short shaft. Serial #16776 and above had 24 teeth and a long shaft. These serial numbers are for a Cub Loboy.
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Cubfriend » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:30 am

I noticed the 1966 has a deluxe seat. Does the 1958 also have the deluxe seat?
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Cubfriend » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:31 am

inairam wrote:In 1964 1/2 they changed the gear in the steering box from 21 teeth to 24 teeth to make is easier to turn and for some reason also extended the shaft 3 inches. I have cut several down and machine the keyway and threads to make it easier to get in and out.

Peter beat me to the punch!
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby tst » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:03 am

what makes it harder is the fenders are raised on a loboy making it even tighter to get on, the later steering design is a lot easier to turn, and if a loboy has a fast hitch its even worse to get on for us old guys, we are not that flexable now

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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby inairam » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:12 am

Cubfriend wrote:After looking at the parts manual TC-37F, Dated 8-79, it appears that the shaft length changed when the big steering gear changed to 24 teeth instead of the earlier 21 tooth gear in middle of 1963. Serial #221871 and below had 21 teeth and a short shaft. Serial #221872 and above had 24 teeth and a long shaft.


I thought it was 64 but it does look like 63. They did it before the "international" cubs. I thought they did it as part of the switch.

I messed up with the transition from teardrop to pancake lights. I thought it was done at the sheet metal change of the hood but it was done before the sheet metal change.
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Masmith » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:38 am

The 58 had the pan seat with a cushion, hard mount. I have replaced it with a deluxe seat. Much nicer ride.
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Cubfriend » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:49 am

inairam wrote:
Cubfriend wrote:After looking at the parts manual TC-37F, Dated 8-79, it appears that the shaft length changed when the big steering gear changed to 24 teeth instead of the earlier 21 tooth gear in middle of 1963. Serial #221871 and below had 21 teeth and a short shaft. Serial #221872 and above had 24 teeth and a long shaft.


“I thought it was 64 but it does look like 63. They did it before the "international" cubs. I thought they did it as part of the switch.”

Peter, I have an International Cub Loboy with squarenose hood. It is still 6 volts with the 21 tooth steering gear. I really could have used the 24 tooth steering as this Loboy is equipped with a 1000 Loader.
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:10 am

One nice thing about the change in length is that you know which gears are inside before you tear it apart. You know which replacement worm wheel and shaft to get.

I assume the longer shaft (more leg room) was to compensate for people being taller in 1960 than they were in 1945, plus the decrease in the practice of sending small children out to work all day on a tractor. Of course, the average American put on about 30 pounds between 1960 and 2000, contributing to the difficulty of climbing on/off.

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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Cubfriend » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:27 am

Between 1960 and 2000 I put on a lot more than 30 pounds. 4 years old in 1960 and 44 years old in 2000. LOL I can still get on my tractor though. I know what you meant Jim. Just having a little fun.
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby inairam » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:11 pm

Here are 2 of my cut-offs 3.5"
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Cubfriend » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:12 pm

Do you cut off and thread these on a lathe? Do you cut the keyway also?
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby Glen » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:40 pm

Hi,
Cubfriend, in your 1st post above, you wrote info for the regular Cub, he has a 1966 LoBoy, it says at his 1st post above.

The Cub parts manual says the steering shaft and gears were changed at LoBoy serial number 16776, which was during 1963. :)

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1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
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1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
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Re: Steering shaft length.

Postby inairam » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:31 pm

It was cut on a saw and the diameters were turned on a lathe and the key milled and the threads done by hand with a die.
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