Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

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Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Dale Finch » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:17 pm

I'm about to install the newly cleaned up steering shaft seal retainer, and wanted to get y'all's opinions on the direction it should be.

There is a hole in the side of the retainer, so depending on how it is installed, it will face left or right. There is nothing I see that it would align with...unless it is using splashed gear oil from the worm gear (on the left) to help lubricate the shaft?? The right side merely faces the housing, itself.
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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Bill V in Md » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:35 pm

Dale, that retainer is a bearing for the steering shaft, so the hole is as you reference it used for lubrication (assuming you have gear oil and not grease in the steering box). Not certain if it is splash lubrication or just a drip hole for the oil to lube the steering shaft. I'm not sure it makes a lot of difference, but I would install it facing the fill plug.
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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Don McCombs » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:12 pm

I don’t think that there’s much splashing that goes on inside the casting, but I agree with Bill’s suggested orientation.
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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Dale Finch » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:46 pm

OK! Seems to be the more logical direction, though I agree that there shouldn't be much "splashing" going on in there! I hadn't checked to see if the hole sat BELOW the gear oil level...guess the only way to tell would be to fill the housing, slip the retainer in, then pull it back out and see where the oil mark is! Of course, then I would need to let excess gear oil run out as I installed the steering shaft with its oil-displacing worm gear!! Another mess to clean up!! :lol:

Thanks...tomorrow's task.
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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:21 pm

Dale Finch wrote:. . . see where the oil mark is! . . .

It should be level with the level plug.

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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Don McCombs » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:26 pm

Which, judging from this photo, would be well below the hole in the retainer/bearing.

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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Dale Finch » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:57 am

Good photo, Don. It DOES look like the hole would be above the oil level (will look at mine from that side)...will have to rethink the use/function of that hole :?
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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby indy61 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:36 am

Mine has the part# towards the fill plug. I'm almost certain it has never been apart. A couple other photos I've seen are the same way.

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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Bill V in Md » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:31 pm

Dale Finch wrote:Good photo, Don. It DOES look like the hole would be above the oil level (will look at mine from that side)...will have to rethink the use/function of that hole :?

When the tractor is in use and being driven the dynamic forces will cause the oil to move around inside the steering housing, which will allow lubrication to enter the hole.
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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Dale Finch » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:38 pm

Just how fast are you driving around with your cub?! :shock:

Maybe I just need to do "donuts" once in a while!! :lol:
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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby indy61 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:41 pm

Bill V in Md wrote:When the tractor is in use and being driven the dynamic forces will cause the oil to move around inside the steering housing, which will allow lubrication to enter the hole.

I agree and if it mattered which direction the hole is located than I would think it would be designed to be installed in one direction only.

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Re: Direction for steering shaft seal retainer?

Postby Bill V in Md » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:19 pm

Dale Finch wrote:Maybe I just need to do "donuts" once in a while!! :lol:

Or “pop a few wheelies”
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