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Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby PVF1799 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:47 pm

Hi all - sure miss being here more often. I'm getting ready to put Rex'48 through its paces this year. One thing bothering me from the restoration is the right front tie rod set screw. When I did Rex over - the screw I took out, had been ground down to be more flat and broad, so not as tapered. If I recall it was just a bolt with a lock nut on it. It seems, I can't get and keep it tight with the proper factory bolt in there. Perhaps the hole is elongated ? What's a good repair that lasts in this area?

Best regards to all, Ken
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:02 pm

Ken, could there be a piece of the old bolt in the bottom of the hole?

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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby Glen » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:34 pm

Hi Ken,

If there is no broken piece of setscrew in the hole, and the original size setscrew won't tighten in the hole, then the hole in the spindle shaft is probably worn bigger than it should be.

Some people on here buy another spindle shaft, JP Tractor Salvage might have one.
The wheel bearings and hub have to be put on the replacement shaft, unless they come with those.
Then the bearings would probably need checking and greasing.

To weld and build up the hole in the one you have, you would need someone that can cut a tapered hole in it again, the original size.

If you buy another shaft, you could buy the newer style, like your 1955 Cub probably has, with the key in the shaft, but you would need the arm to match too.
Since you restored the Cub, you might want the original style.

Below is a pic of the hole in the shaft, from TM Tractor. :)
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby PVF1799 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:45 pm

ScottyD'sdad wrote:Ken, could there be a piece of the old bolt in the bottom of the hole?

Ed

If I was younger I might remember what it looked like when I had it all apart. :-) Good god, with all the photos I took for you to enjoy you'd think I'd have one of that. :-) I'll pull the tie rod off and see what it looks like . Gotta get just a tad bit warmer first.

Thanks for your reply - Ken
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby PVF1799 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:50 pm

Glen wrote:Hi Ken,

If there is no broken piece of setscrew in the hole, and the original size setscrew won't tighten in the hole, then the hole in the spindle shaft is probably worn bigger than it should be.

Some people on here buy another spindle shaft, JP Tractor Salvage might have one.
The wheel bearings and hub have to be put on the replacement shaft, unless they come with those.
Then the bearings would probably need checking and greasing.

To weld and build up the hole in the one you have, you would need someone that can cut a tapered hole in it again, the original size.

Below is a pic of the hole, from TM Tractor. :)

Hi Glen - so much of my Cub is original I'll try to avoid other parts but I'll report back after I disassemble. As always thanks for your prompt reply and good details.

Ken
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby Eugene » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:16 pm

Emery cloth and polish up the back side of the hole shown in Glen's post. You will see a circle, end/point of the set screw taper. Pin punch and knock out the point of the set screw.

Order a new set screw from TM.
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby Bill Hudson » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:57 am

Ken, great to see you back. Good luck with your repair.

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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby PVF1799 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:35 pm

Eugene wrote:Emery cloth and polish up the back side of the hole shown in Glen's post. You will see a circle, end/point of the set screw taper. Pin punch and knock out the point of the set screw.

Order a new set screw from TM.


Perfect - I'll be on it. I'm betting I will find this to be the case. Thank you.
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby coppersmythe » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:17 pm

ken , if you end up needing a new tapered screw , i'm pretty sure i have an extra original from my '48 high and wide . coppersmythe....................EDIT : turns out i have two , one fine thread and one coarse thread . i checked my '48 and both sides had coarse thread . let me know if you need one or the other . coppersmythe..............................
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby PVF1799 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:13 pm

Thank you. It'll be a couple weeks but I'll get into it. We're going to be planting a fair bit of field corn this year. Gonna need Rex, fully operational.
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby ricky racer » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:08 pm

Good to see you back on here Ken!! :{_}:
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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby coppersmythe » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:29 pm

PVF1799 wrote:Thank you. It'll be a couple weeks but I'll get into it. We're going to be planting a fair bit of field corn this year. Gonna need Rex, fully operational.
Anytime , just let me know , i'll get it in the "mail" coppersmythe................................'48 's are my kryptonite 8)

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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby Glen » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:45 pm

Hi,
If you find there is a broken piece of the setscrew in the hole in the shaft, remove the arm, and then turn the front wheel around 1/2 turn, so you can get at the back side of the shaft to hammer the broken piece out.
Park the Cub on a cement floor and you can probably turn the wheel around, or jack it up if needed. :)

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Re: Right Front Tie Rod Connection

Postby PVF1799 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:37 pm

Thanks for the good tips. I got a good laugh at the cement floor. The rest of it is all doable.
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