Regular oil in hydraulic system

[CapeCodCubs]

Did anyone else see this "advice" on the Farmall Cubs facebook group?

Hydraulic oil.JPG

There was a similar discussion about this on another post. It turns out Rachel Gingell told her YouTube followers to do this.

Not that hard to get at the pump and replace the o ring. Plus HyTran absorbs water. I could never take the 30 weight route, it would feel wrong

[Rob in NH]

It was recommended years ago wasn't it?

[Jim Becker]

I found this interesting. It's from Machinery Lubrication "Choosing The Right Hydraulic Fluid".

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Re ... luid-types . . .

That whole article is worth reading. Keep in mind that the whole article is in the context of hydraulic oils, not motor oils used in a hydraulic system. Here is an interesting bit out of the section on multigrade oils.

"There are some concerns when using multigrade fluids in hydraulic systems. The viscosity index (VI) improvers used to make multigrade oils can have a negative effect on the air separation properties of the oil."

[tenn terry t]

YEA I READ IT CAUSE I WROTE IT and I still stand by it! some of you people will fall for anything. what do you guys think was used in the pumps before high tran came along oh yea that was the fancy touch control oil which was nothing more than a fancy name for motor oil. I would almost be these old touch control systems would run on 90 wt gear oil

[tenn terry t]

Did anyone else see this "advice" on the Farmall Cubs facebook group?

Hydraulic oil.JPG

There was a similar discussion about this on another post. It turns out Rachel Gingell told her YouTube followers to do this.

Not that hard to get at the pump and replace the o ring. Plus HyTran absorbs water. I could never take the 30 weight route, it would feel wrong

you want to tell me how water gets in a closed system ?

[Glen]

It was recommended years ago wasn't it?

Hi,
Below are pages from Cub owner's manuals, with the oil recommendations IH had.

The 1st page is from the 1949 owner's manual. It shows using 10W motor oil in the Touch Control.
Jim has said this was before they developed Touch Control fluid.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-17.jpg

The 2nd page is from the 1950 owner's manual, it says use Touch Control fluid.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... e%2017.jpg

The 3rd page is from the 1959 owner's manual, it shows using Hy-Tran fluid in the Touch Control, and all gear housings, or gear oil in the gear housings.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-37.jpg

The 4th page is from the owner's manual for the newest Cubs, the Longstripe Cubs, serial number 248125 and above.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-55.jpg

[tenn terry t]

What problems does it cause, though? It would help people to understand and not challenge the idea, or give bad advice, if there was some definitive damage that could be pointed at and attributed to using 30 weight motor oil in the touch control. "If you do X, then Y will happen."

. . . Yes, IH changed the recommendation from 10w to Hy-Tran. What matters though is whether the engineers identified a reason or if it was the marketing department trying to increase sales of their branded product. . . .

This has been answered before. It isn't clear to me that it will soak in any better if I done again. Maybe I could type slower.
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 07#p838303
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 75#p816975
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 35#p796276
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 89#p742589
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 42#p560842
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 58#p352658
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... =1&t=28077

. . . Some of the guys on the FB group are convinced their hyd. pumps will leak tomorrow, and when they do, their tractor will explode, so they run 30wt in their touch controls. And some think the Cub is like an H or M with a Lift-All and 30wt. oil is recommended. And some of them you can't tell them a thing. And you can quote me on that. Oh well, it's their tractor. . . .

You have to consider the source. We know whose FB group it is.

yep Jim Becker its a Facebook group its growing everyday unlike other sites which is dyeing a slow death. if you haven't noticed more and more of the hard core cub guys are showing up on Facebook not the other way around. ive been around this site since it was only one forum. I know all about who your talking about I was here.

[tenn terry t]

What problems does it cause, though? It would help people to understand and not challenge the idea, or give bad advice, if there was some definitive damage that could be pointed at and attributed to using 30 weight motor oil in the touch control. "If you do X, then Y will happen."

. . . Yes, IH changed the recommendation from 10w to Hy-Tran. What matters though is whether the engineers identified a reason or if it was the marketing department trying to increase sales of their branded product. . . .

This has been answered before. It isn't clear to me that it will soak in any better if I done again. Maybe I could type slower.
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 07#p838303
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 75#p816975
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 35#p796276
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 89#p742589
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 42#p560842
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 58#p352658
http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... =1&t=28077

. . . Some of the guys on the FB group are convinced their hyd. pumps will leak tomorrow, and when they do, their tractor will explode, so they run 30wt in their touch controls. And some think the Cub is like an H or M with a Lift-All and 30wt. oil is recommended. And some of them you can't tell them a thing. And you can quote me on that. Oh well, it's their tractor. . . .

You have to consider the source. We know whose FB group it is.

now see there ya go this was posted on the farmall cub facebook page ran by BARNYARD JIM CHARLES BIG DOG AND BARNYARDS WIFE none of those folks have said anything so why are bumping your gums? im sorry guys I normally would just blow it off and move on but jim becker done hit a nerve

[Super A]

Did anyone else see this "advice" on the Farmall Cubs facebook group?

Hydraulic oil.JPG

There was a similar discussion about this on another post. It turns out Rachel Gingell told her YouTube followers to do this.

Not that hard to get at the pump and replace the o ring. Plus HyTran absorbs water. I could never take the 30 weight route, it would feel wrong

you want to tell me how water gets in a closed system ?

I don't know, but I would guess you could get some seepage through the fill plug, especially an early-ish one with the pipe style plug. Certainly not much. But when I consider I NEVER remember a hydraulic fluid change on any of our old Farmalls growing up, and I'm 45 now.....so it could accumulate over time I guess. (?)

Monday it started warming up here. By that afternoon, everything was "sweating." You could see the level of antifreeze in the rear tires on all of dad's tractors in his shed from where the moisture in the air was condensing on the tires. Everything was wet. I would suspect over time some water, albeit maybe a small amount, could find its way in.

Al

[Winfield Dave]

...its a Facebook group its growing everyday...

And there has been more bad advice given than has ever been seen on this forum.

[Rick Prentice]

Back when I assembled the dyno, the experts at the hydraulic shop where I bought all the main components told me i could run either all motor oil, all auto trans oil, or all hydraulic oil. They didn't recommend mixing those oils. I chose hydraulic oil because of the cost factor (much cheaper).
That's my $.03

Rick

[tmays]

Back when I assembled the dyno, the experts at the hydraulic shop where I bought all the main components told me i could run either all motor oil, all auto trans oil, or all hydraulic oil. They didn't recommend mixing those oils. I chose hydraulic oil because of the cost factor (much cheaper).
That's my $.03

Rick

That’s why I use hydraulic oil in my cub touch controls. Cheaper. I’ve used nondetergent motor oil in them before with no problems, but switched to the tractor supply premium universal hydraulic oil because it’s cheaper. At one point I was going through quite a bit of it due to rebuilds and aquiring cubs and changing fluids. Not so much anymore, so I guess cost is no longer a big consideration.

[tenn terry t]

...its a Facebook group its growing everyday...

And there has been more bad advice given than has ever been seen on this forum.

ok answer me this question mr Dave Stephens if its sooooooooo bad what you doing over there? n you started this whole mess by putting my name in here. then you have to ask if I was telling the truth. sounds like you don't know as much as you thought you do. best thing for us to do is you don't mention my name and I wont mention your and we just get along just fine. you sir have a good day

[tmays]

Time for this thread to be locked

[Super A]

...its a Facebook group its growing everyday...

And there has been more bad advice given than has ever been seen on this forum.

ok answer me this question mr Dave Stephens if its sooooooooo bad what you doing over there? n you started this whole mess by putting my name in here. then you have to ask if I was telling the truth. sounds like you don't know as much as you thought you do. best thing for us to do is you don't mention my name and I wont mention your and we just get along just fine. you sir have a good day

Terry I'm not sure they're talking about the same Cub group. There's two that are fairly active.

Al