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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby 57j2olds » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:01 am

I'll take a flashlight today and look. I'm pretty sure it ok, however I will double check.

Thanks for the great advice.

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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby 53 Red » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:34 pm

Hello folks, I have a 53' Cub that has a brake issue on the right side. I am new to this forum and really enjoy all the helpful posts that are made here! This is a Great reference tool!

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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby Glen » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:50 am

Hi,
53 Red, this post has lots of info about repairing the brakes. Reading the other pages in the post would be helpful. Read the Cub service manual, I posted the link for it on one of the pages, and read Dale Finch's post about brake repair, it has pics.
If you are going to take the right final drive off the Cub, it has a longer shaft than the left side, the shaft is attached to the final drive, like the left side.
It works better to remove the final drive from the extension first. Then look in with a light and see if the oil seal in the transmission is leaking. If it is leaking it needs replacing, to keep the oil off the brake lining.
If it is not leaking, it would be good to replace it, if it is old. If it leaks in the future, it can get oil on the brake lining.
It is more work to replace the right side seal in the trans, you have to remove the seat and battery box, loosen the platform, raise it up some, then remove the right side extension. :)
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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby Indy4570 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:00 am

This thread is an example of the goodwill shown by many good people here. Some Opinions differ but all participating show only a desire to help the OP with the problems. I am another that has a few cubs with brake issues. I will be consulting this thread and others posted here when I tackle the repair.
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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby 57j2olds » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:47 am

Good morning.

So I burned the midnight oil and got it ALL back together last night. I got to the most simplest step and Bam!

The brake rod that screws into the clevis is, for some reason, 1/4" too short!!!

My first thought would be to get a small piece of threaded rod and a female to female coupler, however I shouldn't have to.

Thoughts???

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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:04 am

Maybe you have a situation involving how the brake band is bent. Check this post from someone that had a similar problem.
viewtopic.php?t=14715
Do you have toggle brakes? I'm not sure if the toggle can be misassembled but it is something to double check. Also, if toggle brakes, there are threads and an adjustable clevis on each end of the rod.

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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby 57j2olds » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:04 pm

My brake has the long bar attached to the friction material. I dont have a lever by the final.

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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:21 pm

57j2olds wrote:My brake has the long bar attached to the friction material. I dont have a lever by the final.

OK, that knocks out a couple possibilities. The problem discussed in the other thread was on a toggle brake system. However, the shape and location of the bends as he described could still be causing your situation.

If you are working with a new band, the lining may be thicker than the original spec or maybe some other failure to make an accurate reproduction is the problem.

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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby 57j2olds » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:33 pm

I may go with my my first thought and use a coupler until the material of wore down enough to install the correct way.

UGHHHHHH

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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby Slim140 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:40 pm

Here's a post on the same problem you are having.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=96391&hilit=brake+rod+too+short#p758966
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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby Dale Finch » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:40 pm

I don't think you want to let it "wear down". Unfortunately, my guess is that the brake band is deformed a bit or the lining isn't attached completely against the band, causing a smaller effective circle around the drum. If that is the case, all you might achieve is wearing out (prematurely) a small section of the lining where it IS contacting the drum. :(
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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby Glen » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:29 pm

Hi,
Too bad the rod is too short.
Below are pics showing the positions of the brake linkage, when the brake pedals are fully up.
The rectangular piece has to angle back towards the rear, to connect to the clevis.
The brake and clutch pedals should have return springs under the platform, to hold them fully up, against the edge of the platform. :)
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Re: 1953 Brake Issue

Postby Waif » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:24 am

57j2olds wrote:Good morning.

So I burned the midnight oil and got it ALL back together last night. I got to the most simplest step and Bam!

The brake rod that screws into the clevis is, for some reason, 1/4" too short!!!

My first thought would be to get a small piece of threaded rod and a female to female coupler, however I shouldn't have to.

Thoughts???


Thought might be similar to , Arrrrgh!.

Along the lines of Glens post , be sure brake pedals are not "sagging".
They touch the platform when retracted by springs .
Don't forget wanting to have about and inch (minus an eighth) free play in the pedals before brakes start engaging after final adjustment.


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