1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

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1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby 57j2olds » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:00 am

I wanted to take a moment to thank you all for your great posts.

I was able to change the trans fluid, which was a milky mess, with no issues. Engine oil was a no brainer.

So last night I decided to tackle the steering fluid.

I pulled the plug and what came out looked like black tar (and flowed like tar).

I left it drain over night. I then took some kerosene and put some on the fill hole to flush out more remnants of the tarry stuff. For sure it was not changed in many years.

Did I do any hard by pouring in the kerosene?
Do I replace with 80/90w?

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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby radioguy41 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:19 am

Straight 90W gear oil (or even 120W) and make sure the vent hole in the filler plug isn't clogged.
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Glen » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:34 pm

Hi,
No it doesn't hurt it to put kerosene in the steering gear. It doesn't do much probably, there's not much gear movement, but might wash out some of the oil.
Yes, 80W-90 gear oil is ok to use in the steering gear. :)

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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby BigBill » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:46 pm

There’s a moly gear oil additive we can apply to the steering gears, the final drives and the tranny. I flushed my tranny with kerosene to remove the grime and rust in the tranny, it came out looking like new inside. I’m thinking the water got in through the shifter ball. We can mix the moly gear oil with 90wt gear oil too.

https://www.tsmoly.com/index.php

https://www.tsmoly.com/additives-c-23.h ... nfqk52sbd2

https://www.tsmoly.com/anti-seize-lubri ... -p-84.html

Moly.

Eliminates all wear
Reduces friction
Fights corrosion
Prevents galling

God only knows our tractors need it. I been using moly since the 70’s when Dow corning tested it, I knew a guy who worked there in the lab. I tested it in every metal to metal contact situation. It never failed. Our dirtbike pistons after a season of racing and heavy use came out looking like new upon inspection. Now isn’t the time to be frugal your making your cub live longer.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Dale Finch » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:36 pm

Not sure if you are aware, but a fairly common practice for a leaking steering gear shaft seal is to use either grease or a really thick oil, instead of the regular gear oil. So don't be totally surprised if you refill with gear oil and the next morning it is all on the ground/floor! As a precaution, you might put an oil pan under it...just in case! :wink:
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Jack » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:00 pm

Dale Finch wrote:Not sure if you are aware, but a fairly common practice for a leaking steering gear shaft seal is to use either grease or a really thick oil, instead of the regular gear oil. So don't be totally surprised if you refill with gear oil and the next morning it is all on the ground/floor! As a precaution, you might put an oil pan under it...just in case! :wink:

My steering leaks also, when I try and tighten the two bolts, it makes it hard to turn. How do you apply the grease in there?
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Don McCombs » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:51 pm

Do you have the proper gasket under the seal retainer?
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Bob McCarty » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:54 pm

Jack wrote:My steering leaks also, when I try and tighten the two bolts, it makes it hard to turn. How do you apply the grease in there?

Is the vent hole in the fill plug open? It goes from the center of the "oil" side and comes out on one of the flats.
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Jack » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:04 pm

Don McCombs wrote:Do you have the proper gasket under the seal retainer?

I never changed the gasket,
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Jack » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:06 pm

Bob McCarty wrote:
Jack wrote:My steering leaks also, when I try and tighten the two bolts, it makes it hard to turn. How do you apply the grease in there?

Is the vent hole in the fill plug open? It goes from the center of the "oil" side and comes out on one of the flats.

I will have to look at fill plug, I'm not sure wh as t you mean by flats
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Bob McCarty » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:18 pm

There will be a hole on one of the four flat sides of the plug head, where you'd put the wrench to remove.
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Don McCombs » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:20 pm

Jack wrote:
Don McCombs wrote:Do you have the proper gasket under the seal retainer?

I never changed the gasket,
Thank you

Are you certain there's one in there?
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Jack » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:31 pm

I never had it apart , I will look tomorrow
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Glen » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:36 pm

Hi,
If you mean the part the oil seal is in at the top, long steering shaft, the 2 bolts should be tight, and nothing there should bind when you turn the steering wheel.
If it is binding, it sounds like it has washers that are too thick on the shaft, inside the steering gear.
Or the gasket could be gone.
TM Tractor has a new gasket.

Below is a pic of the vent in the steering gear oil filler plug. You have to clean it from 2 directions. I use drill bits, by hand, no electric drill, and turn them in the holes, pliers work for turning the bits, then you can collect the dirt and pull it out of the holes.
The bits may not go all the way in without pulling them out, and cleaning them, then going in again.

After cleaning the holes, use some compressed air, and be sure it is open. Wear your safety glasses when using the air. :)
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Re: 1953 Steering Fluid Change - Overall update

Postby Jack » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:15 pm

Glen wrote:Hi,
If you mean the part the oil seal is in at the top, long steering shaft, the 2 bolts should be tight, and nothing there should bind when you turn the steering wheel.
If it is binding, it sounds like it has washers that are too thick on the shaft, inside the steering gear.
Or the gasket could be gone.
TM Tractor has a new gasket.

Below is a pic of the vent in the steering gear oil filler plug. You have to clean it from 2 directions. I use drill bits, by hand, no electric drill, and turn them in the holes, pliers work for turning the bits, then you can collect the dirt and pull it out of the holes.
The bits may not go all the way in without pulling them out, and cleaning them, then going in again.

After cleaning the holes, use some compressed air, and be sure it is open. Wear your safety glasses when using the air. :)

Yes those are the two bolts I am talking about, when I tighten them , I cannot turn the steering, I am gh oing to take it apart tomorrow.
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