Weirdest Stuff on Craigslist: Flymo Edition

I talked to a dozen mower and auto parts places today. No one sells spark plug wire by the foot. I’m going to try TM and then some classic car engine shops around. I need to figure out if this needs copper core like the cub, or resistor wires like everything newer. Seems like that should be easy enough to figure out.

Edit: found a guy on eBay selling *all* kinds of spark plug wire by the foot. Hot diggity. Making progress.
 
It will require a solid or metal core spark plug wire but I’ve never seen a small engine, such as this, with a replaceable wire, they’re generally molded into the coil.
Your “unique” air vane governor is not at all unique. Single cylinder, air cooled small engines have used them for about 100 years. They are simple and foolproof.
 
Gary Dotson":vg1rrgc7 said:
It will require a solid or metal core spark plug wire but I’ve never seen a small engine, such as this, with a replaceable wire, they’re generally molded into the coil.
Your “unique” air vane governor is not at all unique. Single cylinder, air cooled small engines have used them for about 100 years. They are simple and foolproof.

Yes. Confirmed. Resistance on the wire is zero.
It makes sense the air governor was wide-spread, but this is the first time I’ve come across one. It’s super responsive, to the extent that I can’t tell when it’s making adjustments except for the very biggest of load fluctuations.
I can’t say I have dug into conventional mower engines deep enough to notice how they are governed.

I haven’t seen a replaceable wire, either, but I haven’t been able to find a replacement magneto so it’s worth a try. I’m not sure how that wire is retained, yet. It appears to be epoxied in there. Apparently, sometimes there’s a twisted spike in there that the wire screws into as well. I plan to find out hopefully by the weekend.
 
As mentioned in my other current project thread, yesterday was sort of a dissatisfying day in the shop. Everything was going along seemingly quite well right up until the end, when something popped up to thwart the satisfying conclusion.

As far as the spark plug wire swap went, I think that went well. I cut the epoxy holding the existing wire in, then pulled and twisted. More epoxy in the hole was still holding the outer large of insulation. Through tension and torsion, though, it was not difficult at all to remove the wire. It did, however, tear off the outer black layer of insulation which remained in the hole.

First, I tried whittling off the black layer of insulation on the new wire, to hopefully just slip the narrowed end of the new wire into the old sleeve of insulation. Nope. Not happening. The old wire tore neatly between the layers of black and white insulation. I could not replicate that even surface with the new wire. My attempts to peel it off just kept gouging the white insulation below. I cut off the mangled end of the new wire to get a fresh end. That old insulation would have to come out of the hole.

The rubbery insulation fought me at first, but ended up not being too bad. I used a large drill bit as close as I could get to the wire size for the first part of the hole, then switched to a much smaller one for the deepest recesses. Yes, there is a wire protruding from the back of the hole that sticks into the end of the plug wire. Somehow, I managed not to mess that up while getting almost all the insulation out. I test fit the wire, then swabbed a small amount of JB weld around the wire and stuck it in. Turned out looking good. :{_}:

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The plug wire end that grabs the plug was a bit mangled inside the boot, so I couldn’t get it out without cutting the boot. Shouldn’t be an issue as long as I don’t touch it when running. It’s far from any metal objects in the short term, and I know the guy I bought the wire from has the same boots available.

I was surprised how small the actual conductor is in a spark plug wire. It’s only about the size of a pencil lead.

As an added bonus, under the accumulated grime, I found some numbers in black ink over a dark brown surface. Numbers I can use to source a replacement, unlike the numbers I found in the diagrams. It is still fairly readily available, and for not much money. So even if this repair, which ended up easier than I was expecting, fails, I would be able to do a magneto swap without much trouble after all. Not sure why I couldn’t find any useful cross references out of the parts diagrams, but this works, too. :{_}:


For the recoil starter, I got the axle pin drilled/pressed out, got the rope swapped and got everything reassembled with a new pin. I’m positive I have it back together the way it came apart, but it’s not behaving right. There’s a wire spring that functions like a very small band brake. At affects how the gear engages and disengages from the flywheel. In the position I am positive is correct, the end of the wire hangs up and won’t let the gear disengage from the flywheel. In a slightly altered wire position, the gear will disengage, but instead is dicey about engaging in the first place. I’m not sure what’s going on there. I think I must have broken a little piece out of the body of the starter on disassembly that now lets the wire shift to where it can get hung up. :evil:
For now, I will leave the wire in the wrong position so it disengages properly. I will just manually engage the gear by hand each time before pulling the cord, and that should let me run this until I figure a fix or get a new starter (which thankfully is available). Assuming I’ve fixed the no-start part of this episode.

I had previously fixed the broken casting, so everything is back together. Now, in the daylight, let’s see if it will run again! If I can find a dry patch between outer bands of Debby coming through. Impact here should be minimal, but still, 6” of rain and blustery squalls does put a damper on outside activities.
 
Ok. It’s alive! It ran great for a while. Then it started running pretty rough. It’s been sitting quite a while while I contemplated what I was going to do with it, so I suspect the gas is yucky. It goes over fast here. I expect it will be fine after another carb clean.
However, the JB Weld repair to the casting failed laughably quickly. I added 3 pieces of 1/2” aluminum stock to reinforce that repair, and one of those pieces shot out within 30 seconds of the engine starting. Not sure if the other two are still in there or not, but I can tell the piece of the casting is loose again. Does JB Weld not bond to aluminum? Did I not prep the surface enough? Not sure yet. I’m thinking I will try this again, with more assertive surface roughening and degreasing. Then, if it fails again, braze. Also, check to see if the piece is replaceable or an integral part of the engine.

Edit: mowed for another 20 minutes. Near the end of it, it gave a big cough and revs immediately picked up and steadied. It cleared its own throat and finished up running great!

So, the damaged plug wire was 100% the reason for the no-start situation, and turned out to be a very easy and cheap fix.
The broken casting didn’t take the JB Weld very well at all. Back to the drawing board with that.
The recoil starter functions again, but not 100% the way it should. I think I damaged it in disassembly and should replace it.
 
Curious. The JB Weld remained much softer and more rubbery than I would have expected. Much more than the last time I used it. I was able to pull/tear some of it off the aluminum just with my fingernail. I’m pretty sure I didn’t get the ratios off by enough to cause that, so I expect that batch was just too old to set properly. I will clean that up, rough it up more and degrease thoroughly and repeat the cast aluminum repair with a fresh batch of JB Weld.
 
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