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Super A wrote:Longest design would be a better way to put it. The A started in 1939, became the Super A in 1947, the Super A-1 in 1954, 100 in 1954, 130 in 1956, and 140 in 1958, ending in 1979. There are some significant changes in there, IMO the biggest were the changes to the torque tube to first allow electric start, and then to accommodate the touch control, but you can pretty much bolt together most any combo of components and make a frankentractor.in any case if you look at it that way the A series wins.
John Deere claims their Model D was the longest production tractor model, but an early D is a much different animal than the last polroduction Ds.
Al
BullDAWG wrote:Super A wrote:Longest design would be a better way to put it. The A started in 1939, became the Super A in 1947, the Super A-1 in 1954, 100 in 1954, 130 in 1956, and 140 in 1958, ending in 1979. There are some significant changes in there, IMO the biggest were the changes to the torque tube to first allow electric start, and then to accommodate the touch control, but you can pretty much bolt together most any combo of components and make a frankentractor.in any case if you look at it that way the A series wins.
John Deere claims their Model D was the longest production tractor model, but an early D is a much different animal than the last polroduction Ds.
Al
Al, according to tractor data the specs on JD D's says it was made from 1923 to 1953 so they loose. Your point on the A not having electric start is correct but didn't the cub also NOT have electric start in the 40's ALSO I've heard that the early Cubs torque tubes DIDN'T have any provisions for the hydraulics. So again I still say the A wins this debate. I concede that the cub serial number were consecutive but the overall design of each remained the same. Just like the cub early versions both the A and Cubs can be pieced together to modernize them. But the SA-1's had the same engines as the later 100-140's and if you read the IH directives the cub was changed to the IH name because farmers didn't buy them anymore (very small #) and they too had body mods changing from round fronts to the square hoods. Why IH changed serial # on the 100 but not the cub is a mistery. But at least the A's remained Farmall unlike the cub
BullDAWG wrote:About to really stir up a hornet's nest, without the A-140 there wouldn't be a cub. All it is, is a 2/3 version of an A-140. The cub looked at momma bear and said, when I grow up I want to have front and rear hydraulics and be able to pull more than a 1 bottom plow. Momma bear said, keep going over n the garden eating them greens and you one day will grow and have a 123 engine and dual hydraulics and be strong enough to handle a 1000 loader, a 2 bottom plow...
60 years later the cub still wants to grow up and be like the A-140. But alas he realized that though his design was a shrunken copy of the A-140 and his design wasn't made as long as the A-140, he was happy that he was #2... Only time he didn't like #2 was when it was pulling a 100 spreader. But that my friends is another story about a cub...
Shane Nelson wrote:BullDAWG wrote:Super A wrote:Longest design would be a better way to put it. The A started in 1939, became the Super A in 1947, the Super A-1 in 1954, 100 in 1954, 130 in 1956, and 140 in 1958, ending in 1979. There are some significant changes in there, IMO the biggest were the changes to the torque tube to first allow electric start, and then to accommodate the touch control, but you can pretty much bolt together most any combo of components and make a frankentractor.in any case if you look at it that way the A series wins.
John Deere claims their Model D was the longest production tractor model, but an early D is a much different animal than the last polroduction Ds.
Al
Al, according to tractor data the specs on JD D's says it was made from 1923 to 1953 so they loose. Your point on the A not having electric start is correct but didn't the cub also NOT have electric start in the 40's ALSO I've heard that the early Cubs torque tubes DIDN'T have any provisions for the hydraulics. So again I still say the A wins this debate. I concede that the cub serial number were consecutive but the overall design of each remained the same. Just like the cub early versions both the A and Cubs can be pieced together to modernize them. But the SA-1's had the same engines as the later 100-140's and if you read the IH directives the cub was changed to the IH name because farmers didn't buy them anymore (very small #) and they too had body mods changing from round fronts to the square hoods. Why IH changed serial # on the 100 but not the cub is a mistery. But at least the A's remained Farmall unlike the cub
I don’t think Al is claiming a John Deere D is the longest running model produced, I think he is saying John Deere says it’s their longest running model produced, which is true. The early D’s were steel wheeled, hand crank & unstyled. The late D’s were rubber tired, electric start & styled, so they changed like everything else.
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM24288 First cub produced, you can see electric starter.
We have the 947th Cub built and the torque tube was ready for the TC, which I added and the torque tube is the correct early “Q” casting.
jsfarmall wrote:When it comes to production numbers I believe the number 1 most tractors built we're 8n Ford's then 2nd most mass produced is H Farmall. According tractor data.com
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