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750 JD compact tractor
Anyone have any experience with the Yanmar 3 cyl. diesel that is used in these. Mine lost oil pressure. Being that it has a idiot light and not a gauge I don't know if it happened all of a sudden or if it has been gradually getting worse. I probably know all the possibilities as to what could be wrong so what I'm looking for is if there is something that may be a problem with these engines and or the most likely suspects.
I pulled the sender and tried three different manual gauges just to be sure that it was a pressure problem and not an elec. problem. Also I've pulled the pan to check the pick up tube and screen and all looks good there. There is no metal and to my surprise no gunk in the pan. Also no sign of water, my first thought was that there may have been ice some where because of the way below zero temps. we had.
I pulled the sender and tried three different manual gauges just to be sure that it was a pressure problem and not an elec. problem. Also I've pulled the pan to check the pick up tube and screen and all looks good there. There is no metal and to my surprise no gunk in the pan. Also no sign of water, my first thought was that there may have been ice some where because of the way below zero temps. we had.
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
I have an 850 JD with the 3 cyl Yanmar engine which I totally rebuilt from a junk engine about 10 years ago. No problem with the engine; just the oil pan was difficult to get a good seal (leaked because I couldn't keep the bolts tight. Never had any issues with the rebuilt engine (turned crank, new rods, mains bearings to fit, new pistons, reworked head, etc). This probably does not really help but that's all my experience with the Yanmar engine. (I don't like the idiot oil pressure light either, considered putting gages in but there's little room to make the conversion.)
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
What did the manual gauges read I think your good and have electric sender issue , no oil pressure would trash that engine fast , I just sold my 850 was a good tractor 15 years good service
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
The Yanmar engines are generally very reliable, I've not known of any issue specific to your problem. Maybe you could talk to a dealership mechanic, who has more experience with them.
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
Jackman;
There was absolutely nothing there. After the area that the sender screwed into drained, it wouldn't even pump any oil back in to the passage.
That's one of the puzzels here. I thought with all the running and testing I've done there would at least be some noise from the lack of oil. The engine still starts and runs just like always, except there is no oil pressure.
I probably ran it 150' back to the garage, then 30' out into the drive, to chain it to the truck so I could tow it to the local garage, then 30' more to get into the shop, and I don't know how many times I restarted it during testing. (many times even at full throttle) Strange huh? The engine probably should have seized solid by now, but still sounds good. It's almost like the oil is going every where except to the passage where the sender screws in. I had put new oil and a filter on after it was in the shop a couple days in case it was ice. (no change) I forgot to check the new filter yesterday, to see if it filled with oil, although I doubt it, as it sits just above the sender. (I had filled it a little better then half way when I installed it)
Gary:
I agree, this has been a great little tractor with almost no problems, the only other trouble we've had is the knuckle where the steering arm attaches to the front wheel, broke. The only thing I don't like about it is the hydraulics are real slow, especially in the cold. I was told that if I could find the right mechanic that has worked on these and willing to stick his neck out, there is a way to speed them up.
I thought about that. The local dealer is over 40 miles away and something like that should be done in person, not on the phone. The phone might be OK if I personally new them, but I've never done any service work there, only parts. I most likely will talk to them though before taking any drastic measures.
I'll probably bite the bullet and pay the $120 plus shipping and get a service manual if I don't hit on anything else soon.
the manual gauges read 0
There was absolutely nothing there. After the area that the sender screwed into drained, it wouldn't even pump any oil back in to the passage.
no oil pressure would trash that engine fast
That's one of the puzzels here. I thought with all the running and testing I've done there would at least be some noise from the lack of oil. The engine still starts and runs just like always, except there is no oil pressure.
I probably ran it 150' back to the garage, then 30' out into the drive, to chain it to the truck so I could tow it to the local garage, then 30' more to get into the shop, and I don't know how many times I restarted it during testing. (many times even at full throttle) Strange huh? The engine probably should have seized solid by now, but still sounds good. It's almost like the oil is going every where except to the passage where the sender screws in. I had put new oil and a filter on after it was in the shop a couple days in case it was ice. (no change) I forgot to check the new filter yesterday, to see if it filled with oil, although I doubt it, as it sits just above the sender. (I had filled it a little better then half way when I installed it)
Gary:
The Yanmar engines are generally very reliable
I agree, this has been a great little tractor with almost no problems, the only other trouble we've had is the knuckle where the steering arm attaches to the front wheel, broke. The only thing I don't like about it is the hydraulics are real slow, especially in the cold. I was told that if I could find the right mechanic that has worked on these and willing to stick his neck out, there is a way to speed them up.
Maybe you could talk to a dealership mechanic
I thought about that. The local dealer is over 40 miles away and something like that should be done in person, not on the phone. The phone might be OK if I personally new them, but I've never done any service work there, only parts. I most likely will talk to them though before taking any drastic measures.
I'll probably bite the bullet and pay the $120 plus shipping and get a service manual if I don't hit on anything else soon.
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
you might want to check out this forum is has a lot of good information and they are very friendly
http://www.mytractorforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76
http://www.mytractorforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=76
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
"the manual gauges read 0
There was absolutely nothing there. After the area that the sender screwed into drained, it wouldn't even pump any oil back in to the passage.
no oil pressure would trash that engine fast
That's one of the puzzels here. I thought with all the running and testing I've done there would at least be some noise from the lack of oil. The engine still starts and runs just like always, except there is no oil pressure. "
Strange , I would drain the oil and give the oil a close look for foreign debris such as metal shavings and also cut open the oil filter and inspect the same, if that checks out maybe the passage to the sender is plugged ,,,,,,, veery strang no pressure yet runs
There was absolutely nothing there. After the area that the sender screwed into drained, it wouldn't even pump any oil back in to the passage.
no oil pressure would trash that engine fast
That's one of the puzzels here. I thought with all the running and testing I've done there would at least be some noise from the lack of oil. The engine still starts and runs just like always, except there is no oil pressure. "
Strange , I would drain the oil and give the oil a close look for foreign debris such as metal shavings and also cut open the oil filter and inspect the same, if that checks out maybe the passage to the sender is plugged ,,,,,,, veery strang no pressure yet runs
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
That's an interesting link that Jack posted, maybe that's the smoking gun. I was looking at my Clymer small diesel engine manual, yesterday, to see if I could come up with any ideas for you. The pump on that engine is mounted to the front of the block, behind the front cover. It pumps immediately into the oil filter base, where the oil pressure regulator is located, then through the filter and on the the oil galleys. I would remove the filter base & check the regulator, but I'll bet Jack found your answer.
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
Gary Dotson Stated: but I'll bet Jack found your answer
Thanks Gary, I appreciate the compliment, especially from you, but Steve is the one who pointed the other site out and thanks to KenL from mytractorforum for finding the problem.
At the end of KenL's post on the other tractor site, it was asked what caused the pump to split? I was wondering if the Yanma oil pump is a Trochoid Oil Pump style like the Clymer engine you were talking about.
Just an guess…If that’s the case and the tractors is in a cold climate and a heavy weight oil is in the crankcase and oil pump gears, when the engine is started and the oil pressure relief valve doesn’t open very quickly, in my opinion the pump will split open.
If you’re using 15w-40 Engine oil and the pump split open like KenL’s tractor did, I think I would talk to the Yanma people for an answer.
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
Thanks for the link Steve. The trouble that the poster had there sounds like a good possibility. I run 10w-30, but we had some 30 below nights and even though I waited tell it got back into the teens to start the tractor it may still have been to thick in the pump. I ordered a service manual for it, so now I'm waiting on that. It looks like the hyd. pump, injector pump, timing gears as well as the oil pump are all part of,or under the front cover.
I'll post what I find, if and when I find something.
I'll post what I find, if and when I find something.
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
With the 750 broke down we've been moving the last couple snows by hand, but with the plowed banks it's to much work. So yesterday I decided to see if the JD 40C would start so I could move the banks back. I got it started but to add insult to injury guess what? No oil pressure! I said to heck with it, either it'll get oil pressure or seize up, after about 10 min. it was up to normal. I expect the oil was just too thick to make it's way into the little orifice of the gauge.
There's even more insult and a lack of planning ahead. I've got 4 or 5 JD garden tractors that could handle a snow blower and 2 snow blowers that would fit them. Also I've got a JD M and MT and a loader with snow blade that will fit either one, also a JD A and a loader with snow bucket for it. But of course nothing ready to go, and with the snow blowers and loaders buried I need the 750 to dig it all out.
Sometimes I'm amazed at how dumb I can be. Next summer one of the snow blowers WILL be mounted!
There's even more insult and a lack of planning ahead. I've got 4 or 5 JD garden tractors that could handle a snow blower and 2 snow blowers that would fit them. Also I've got a JD M and MT and a loader with snow blade that will fit either one, also a JD A and a loader with snow bucket for it. But of course nothing ready to go, and with the snow blowers and loaders buried I need the 750 to dig it all out.
Sometimes I'm amazed at how dumb I can be. Next summer one of the snow blowers WILL be mounted!
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
Mark, be sure to let us know what you find out, you never know, this might come up again for someone else. Jack, according to the manual, this engine has a gerotor style pump. I suspect it has an aluminum housing. I also suspect the cold temperature played into the failure, if indeed it has failed. Several years ago, we experimented with cold flow on different oils, a dixie cup with a few ounces of oil in the freezer overnite. You'd be amazed how thick 10w30 gets! I've seen engine failures caused by cold start lack of oil circulation, pan full of oil but the pump couldn't pump it. It makes one think twice before starting in very cold weather.
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor
Gary Dotson stated: this engine has a gerotor style pump
You’re correct Gary; I should have looked up the style of oil pumps, instead of going by memory.
I guess if the oil pressure came back, it must be the oil is too thick….Maybe the oil pump pressure relief valve is sticking open.
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Re: 750 JD compact tractor (update 2-4 -14)
Finally got the service manual and got up the ambition to pull the front cover. Yup, the pump was split in half. Sure was hoping that wasn't the problem, but then on the other hand, there is no doubt what the problem is. Now just have to find some money and hope the parts are still available. Other then the split, the pump appeared to be in good condition.
I'm going to add a pad heater to the oil pan, and in the future make sure it and the block heater are plugged in for at least an hour before starting. Hopefully this won't happen again.
I'm going to add a pad heater to the oil pan, and in the future make sure it and the block heater are plugged in for at least an hour before starting. Hopefully this won't happen again.
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