New member needs help

[Acewingman89]

I just acquired my late grandfathers 184.

I know there are a few threads asking about the starter issue but none that are the same as mine

I bought a brand new batter for it and all the starter does is hum nothing else.

What should I do to get it to start?

Thanks in advance

[John *.?-!.* cub owner]

Ace, since you had 2 posts that basically said the same thing I deleted one of them. Assuming by your post that this did not suddenly happen and that the tractor has bee setting a while, I would suspect that the engine may be stuck. Try turning the engine by hand, either using the fan or reaching in through the hole with a small pry bar where the starter is located on a C60 engine (right side of flywheel housing on the front just below the oil filter housing. If it is stuck, remove the spark plugs and put a dose of penetrating oil in each cylinder. Note, the spark plug holes are offset toward the valve side, you you will need to squirt the oil toward the center to get it to the rings, in addition to straight down toward the valves. Let it set a couple days to soak in and try turning it again.

If the engine is not stuck you need a voltmeter to verify the starter is getting sufficient voltage when trying to turn the engine.

[Acewingman89]

Ya I was going to delete one just hadn't done it yet so thank you.

The 184 has set a while and I never had the chance to ask my grandfather what the issue was. I do remember however that the starter issue has been present for a while just never was able to get it fixed. I will swing by there in the morning and see what I can figure out and I'll post an update in the morning

[outdoors4evr]

Congratulations on keeping the 184 in the family. Welcome to the forum.
Before you go to replacing parts or rebuilding starters, check the easy stuff.

Might not hurt to remove the battery cables from the battery posts and clean them with a wire brush.
While the battery is disconnected, also clean the cable connection on the starter. Connections should be clean and bright. During Reassembly, apply a dab of DiElectric grease. You can find this stuff at nearly any auto parts store.
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Permatex-33-oz-9-355-g-dielectric-Tune-Up-grease/_/N-25ap?itemIdentifier=125419_0_0_

[Acewingman89]

I was informed yesterday that my grandfather use to push on the flywheel to get the mower to start.

[Eugene]

I was informed yesterday that my grandfather use to push on the flywheel to get the mower to start.

Couple of thoughts. Flywheel ring gear missing some teeth - - or weakness or fault(s) in starter electrical wiring or the starter itself.

I bought a brand new battery for it and all the starter does is hum nothing else.

What should I do to get it to start?

Could be engine stuck or starter stuck/engaged in flywheel.

Easy check. Tractor in 3rd gear, ignition off, rock tractor backward and then forward. If starter stuck in flywheel ring gear, rocking the tractor will normally release the starter. If starter stuck in ring gear you may have to loosen (as in preparing to remove) the starter.

If starter not stuck in ring gear, the rocking action will tell you if the engine is stuck.

[Acewingman89]

Anyone know where I can get a repair manual for the 184 on digits? (Preferably free lol)

[Eugene]

Anyone know where I can get a repair manual for the 184 on digits? (Preferably free lol)

Top of page under manuals. I think you will find most of the information needed.

[Rudi]

Anyone know where I can get a repair manual for the 184 on digits? (Preferably free lol)

IH-50 2004 Edition Complete Shop Manual


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[Acewingman89]

Just wanted to give an update. Went over and installed the new battery and started trouble shooting. Turns out the belt was loose and the pulley for the starter/generator was simply just turning and every now and then catching the belt. After we tightened the belt and let it sit for a few minutes, the baby started right up and purrrrs like a kitten.

Now to fix the annoying clicking that is coming from the pto drive.

[outdoors4evr]

Would you please clarify the tractor model?
The 184 does not have a starter/generator with a belt. It has an Alternator and a gear driven starter.
The 154 and the 185 have a starter/generator with a belt.

Glad you were able to get the tractor turning over.

[Acewingman89]

It is a 184. Sorry for some reason I thought it had a generator on it.

I'm still learning about the 184 even tho I grew up around it.

[outdoors4evr]

If it is a 184, then it will have a gear drive starter that engages with the flywheel.
The bendix (small gear on the starter) is either not moving toward the flywheel (penetrating lube may help) or the flywheel ring gear has worn down in some places.
You might want to replace the bendix on the starter to begin with just to make sure that it isn't the bendix that is worn. Some people turn the bendix gear around and use the other side of the bendix that has fresh teeth.

There are a couple "normal" places where an engine favors to stop at when shut off. These are the places where the ring gear wears down first. It is just a roll of the dice as to whether the engine will stop in the worn area. Here are 3 options.
1) You can live with the issue by rotating the engine a few teeth by hand using something like a screwdriver on the flywheel. (this is an inconvenient pain)
2) The ring gear can be rotated around the flywheel or flipped over using some heat so that the worn teeth are in a place where the engine rarely stops. This is cheaper, but you might still have to remove the flywheel and may end up with the same problem occasionally.
3) The ring gear can be replaced.

This thread is about another tractor, but lots of good information about ring gear work.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=44819&hilit=replace+ring+gear

[Acewingman89]

For right now I think I'm going to just hope and pray it continues to start on its own just fine. It is getting colder here in Indiana so I doubt I will use it much the rest of this year.

[Eugene]

Turns out the belt was loose and the pulley for the starter/generator was simply just turning and every now and then catching the belt.

Doesn't sound like the tractor is a 184. But then some one could have installed a starter/generator.

The 154 and the 185 have a starter/generator with a belt.

There are a couple "normal" places where an engine favors to stop at when shut off.
1) You can live with the issue by rotating the engine a few teeth by hand using something like a screwdriver on the flywheel. (this is an inconvenient pain)

184. Ignition off, tractor out of gear you can easily rotate the tractors engine by rotating the fan. Or with ignition off, tractor in 3rd gear, rock the tractor forward a bit. Either action will move the engine crankshaft/flywheel ring gear from it's position when engine stopped.