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Old Hay Rake
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- Randy Tuura
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Old Hay Rake
Dug this out of the brush today. Can anyone identify it?
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Randy
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Re: Old Hay Rake
Randy:
It looks like my McCormick Type M Self-Dump Hay Rake 1-31-50. To confirm, look for the McCormick maker's mark on the parts .. that would be the IH inside the C.
It looks like my McCormick Type M Self-Dump Hay Rake 1-31-50. To confirm, look for the McCormick maker's mark on the parts .. that would be the IH inside the C.
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Re: Old Hay Rake
I used one like that, as a kid. No idea of the brand (it was a half century ago). Was horse drawn, converted to draw bar pull. Ed
- Randy Tuura
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Re: Old Hay Rake
Good call, Rudi. Looking at the manual, there are enough recognizable features to be a positive ID. Thanks.
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Re: Old Hay Rake
ScottyD'sdad wrote:I used one like that, as a kid...Was horse drawn, converted to draw bar pull.
Dave
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Re: Old Hay Rake
Randy:
Soon as I saw it, I kinda new it was just like the one I have. It belonged to Em's grand father for sure and maybe his Dad. It has been around a long, long time. Mine is an old horse drawn one with the long trees. Now to find out what the colours need to be.
Soon as I saw it, I kinda new it was just like the one I have. It belonged to Em's grand father for sure and maybe his Dad. It has been around a long, long time. Mine is an old horse drawn one with the long trees. Now to find out what the colours need to be.
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Re: Old Hay Rake
Rudi wrote:Now to find out what the colours need to be.
Jim Becker sent this to me about four years ago and I am passing it on. http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=034_02.gif
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Re: Old Hay Rake
Thanks Bill
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Re: Old Hay Rake
I used one like that....yesterday.
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Re: Old Hay Rake
I'd use mine, but we have had so much rain I cannot cut hay. Hoping for sustained sunshine!
Bought mine many years ago from a fellow who recalled that as a kid they'd ride on the seat with the horse in front. Then, when tractors came along, kids still liked to ride on the hayrake seat. But the tractor driver, the fellow said, wouldn't notice when kids fell and got caught in the tines. So, to offset that tragedy, his father removed the seat--a good idea I'd say. There's a small metal piece on the Cub seat that is for, I think, holding a rope pull for dumping the rake.
Bought mine many years ago from a fellow who recalled that as a kid they'd ride on the seat with the horse in front. Then, when tractors came along, kids still liked to ride on the hayrake seat. But the tractor driver, the fellow said, wouldn't notice when kids fell and got caught in the tines. So, to offset that tragedy, his father removed the seat--a good idea I'd say. There's a small metal piece on the Cub seat that is for, I think, holding a rope pull for dumping the rake.
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Re: Old Hay Rake
Great find! My Poppy bought one new with his Cub in '51. Raked hay with it for years, up until I was a young teenager. Unfortunately the Cub is gone, but we still have the rake, it sits in Mom & Dad's front yard...
An older gentlemen I go to church with gave me another, and it sits in the flower bed in my front yard as well...
An older gentlemen I go to church with gave me another, and it sits in the flower bed in my front yard as well...
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Re: Old Hay Rake
Dusti Snider wrote:Great find! My Poppy bought one new with his Cub in '51.....
Learn something new all the time. I never realized/thought about them being sold to be pulled by tractors. I always thought the ones pulled by tractors were all converted from horse drawn. This does bring up a question, what is the length of the tounge? I have one I'll eventually use behind a tractor and am curious what length was used when it was specifically for a tractor.
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Re: Old Hay Rake
You can see the thill of the rake a little better in this picture...my Mom isn't in the way I don't know how long it is, but I do know there were a couple different options available from the thill (I think that's what it's called) forward. The one I have in my yard has nothing forward of the thill, the wooden is almost all gone, but judging by what remains it was equipped with a tongue for one horse, as opposed to two. The tractor model has basically a large A-frame that bolted to the thill and extended probably 5 feet or so...
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Re: Old Hay Rake
thill - definition of thill by the Free Online Dictionary ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/thill
thill (th l) n. Either of the two long shafts between which an animal is fastened when pulling a wagon. [Middle English thille, perhaps from Old English, plank.]
I have never heard them called that
www.thefreedictionary.com/thill
thill (th l) n. Either of the two long shafts between which an animal is fastened when pulling a wagon. [Middle English thille, perhaps from Old English, plank.]
I have never heard them called that
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Re: Old Hay Rake
I found thill while looking at some old patent descriptions on horse drawn hay rakes. The patent descriptions call all of the bracing around the tounge in your picture the thill along with the two poles you put the horse between as in Arthur Luke's post. It's interesting that in your second picture it's up in the air higher than the tounge and has a brace between the thill and tounge. I guess a cub drawbar is lower than where the tounge would be hitched on a horse(s) harness. I haven't seen the two horse rake with a single pole refered to as a thill, only a tounge, but haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it or looking. After this post I probably will now. THANKS!
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