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Re: Cultivators

Postby Billy Fussell » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:27 am

This is the kind of stuff I like. I use my cub to plant and cultivate a garden with. So I look forward to the seminar.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby Boss Hog » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:29 am

well I am to start tomorrow if we dont get snowed in.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby pickerandsinger » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:29 am

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Re: Cultivators

Postby CapeCodCubs » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:22 am

Barnyard

I wouldn't think that by not having a jockey arch that the set is incomplete or by not having shields would either. Shields come off after a few weeks and with growing corn I don't use them or really need them. The jockey arch has more to do with rough soil and would be more of an option. No? Am no expert by any far stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby Barnyard » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:43 am

CapeCodCubs wrote:Barnyard

I wouldn't think that by not having a jockey arch that the set is incomplete or by not having shields would either. Shields come off after a few weeks and with growing corn I don't use them or really need them. The jockey arch has more to do with rough soil and would be more of an option. No? Am no expert by any far stretch of the imagination.

Chris, I understand that, I didn't want anyone to think I was implying that mine was complete. I just don't like to use the term "Complete" to describe my stuff unless I am sure it is complete. I have no problem with anyone saying they have complete sets, but I am not comfortable saying that about my stuff unless I was 100% sure.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby CapeCodCubs » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:49 am

Gotcha....I was just saying that by not having all the options would not make the set incomplete.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby Barnyard » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:53 am

CapeCodCubs wrote:Gotcha....I was just saying that by not having all the options would not make the set incomplete.

No problem. Everybody seems to have a different way of describing something, which can be confusing at times. A good article should help eliminate some of the confusion.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby CapeCodCubs » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:04 pm

Yup...anyway this thread is such a tease...snow on the ground and now I want to cultivate corn!!! Darn it...not fair!
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Re: Cultivators

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:46 pm

"Complete" for a cultivator is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. It isn't like, for example, a snow plow where complete means every part for mounting it front or center.

Cultivators were set up in a variety of ways depending on what they were used for. Today, we tend to think of a complete cultivator as including the front universal mounting frames, but often skip over the shields. Originally, nearly all versions came with shields. Mounting frames were a separate item. Although that may have changed towards the end when the cultivators were about the only implement available that used them.

Here are the basic versions of the Cub-144 as available in 1952:
No. 1: 4 spring trips front, 2 spring trips rear, sweeps
No. 3: 4 spring trips front, 4 spring trips rear, sweeps
No. 5: 6 spring trips front, 2 spring trips rear, shovels on front, sweeps on rear
No. 33: 4 friction trips front, 4 friction trips rear, sweeps
No. 34: 4 friction trips front, 2 friction trips rear, sweeps
No. 35: 6 friction trips front, 2 friction trips rear, sweeps
No. 53: 6 spring teeth front, 2 triple spring teeth rear, shovels

All of these versions came with shields(No. 90), except for No. 53 which had an option of adding shields (No. 91). Nos. 3 and 33 came with the long rear tool bars.
Separately available equipment required for the cultivators were the universal mounting frames along with the master control unit and front rockshaft for tractors without Touch-Control or the rear rockshaft for tractors with Touch-Control.

Options included a fertilizer side dressing unit, which had its own options of a deep applicator attachment, a stream divider and a second hopper.

Other options were:
disk hiller
jockey arch
potato hiller
shield (No. 91) for No. 53 equipment
lister type shield (No. 92) to replace No. 50 shield or as extra
triple spring teeth as extra or to replace rear tools on No. 1, 5, 34 or 35 (short rear tool bar versions)
single spring teeth as extra or to replace rear tools on No. 1, 3, 5, 33, 34 or 35 (long rear tool bar versions required 2 sets)
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Diagrams of all these variations are in the owner's manuals and parts catalogs that are available by clicking on either manual links at the top of this page. Several members of this forum have strongly encouraged taking the manual along when you go to look at an implement. You need to be able to determine whether the unit is complete and/or includes the tools needed for your own use.

I don't want to steal Boss's thunder on this topic. So I'm just touching this one year of one model cultivator. I'll leave it to him to go into variations that may have applied to other years and configurations of the Cub-252, Cub-447 or Cub-3 cultivators.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby jamieei » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:00 pm

Shields and jockey arches were optional items and I've never seen many with them. My M and C cultivators both have the jockey arches, but that's all I've seen around here. I do have a NOS jockey arch I found that looks as if it will fit a Cub or A. This one barn ended up being a gold mine of stuff. I need to go exploring some barns again.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby Boss Hog » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:21 pm

The shields and arch if equipped to start with were hung in the barn soon :D along with the battery box top. I don't intend to post what is in the manual, that is there for all to see.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:12 pm

A lot of the 2-row cultivators for the C and larger used the jockey arch to lift the center section. They didn't tend to be a nuisance when the cultivator was removed, as they are on a Cub. For those 2 reasons, they tended to stay on the larger cultivators.

Boss, I realize that configurations and completeness wasn't in the scope of what you said you are going to address. But the question of "comlete" came up in this thread and my response was just illustrating the complexities of what "complete" can possibly mean for a cultivator. Completeness is certainly a factor anyone should evaluate when looking at a cultivator. The information of what pieces go with which configutation is all in the owner's manuals. But digging it out isn't that straightforward as any given configuration is scattered through the manual. It is much more concise in the price lists. I didn't go beyond the one snapshot in time as it was adequate to illustrate my point. It is up to you as to how much of this question you want to include with your discussion of how to identify worn out, broken and stuck parts.
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Re: Cultivators

Postby Buzzard Wing » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:38 pm

I have the manual somewhere and know that as Mr Becker says there is an almost endless variety of 'configurations' for cultivators. I am a city boy, so pretty ignorant on the subject. I know for sure my rock farm requires no cultivation.

I do believe my set (#2, most of #1 is on loan out on Cape Cod) could be called 'complete' in one of the configurations Jim mentions. Although it sure seems like there should be some white parts in the mix :wink:
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Re: Cultivators

Postby Rudi » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:01 pm

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With my Cub-144 I have the UMF along with the No 53 front and back along with the 90 and 92 shields, the 1 and 21 disk hillers but I am missing the no 6 weeder and the jockey arch. I also have the Cub-F144 fast hitch cultivator and I have a number of sweeps with it, just not sure how many of those I have.

I would think that I probably could call my 144 complete as I have the major options that could come with it but I don't cause I am missing options. I really would like to have the other two major options as well as a set with the sweeps.

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Re: Cultivators

Postby clodhopper » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:07 pm

I would love to know if anyone has one of these.
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