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- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Paint questions
I'm replacing the tires on my 240 utility and blasted the rims in prep. they are supposed to be white, but which one?
901 white (greenish tint) used on the Cub Cadets till around 1966, or 935 (grayish tint) used after i think 1970? or something else?
while i'm on paint questions, what yellow would be used on a 1948 industrial super A? when did federal yellow start?
901 white (greenish tint) used on the Cub Cadets till around 1966, or 935 (grayish tint) used after i think 1970? or something else?
while i'm on paint questions, what yellow would be used on a 1948 industrial super A? when did federal yellow start?
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1948 Farmall Super A - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: MD, Deep Creek Lake
Re: Paint questions
Art, what is the year of the tractor?
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- Cub Pro
- Posts: 1871
- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
- Zip Code: 06457
- eBay ID: cmtelephone
- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Re: Paint questions
the 240U is a.....i dont remember exactly - so i'm going to look at my avatar...1958.
the Super A Industrial is a 48
the Super A Industrial is a 48
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- Team Cub Mentor
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1957 Farmall Cub w/FH
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1978 International Cub
1948 Farmall Super A - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: MD, Deep Creek Lake
Re: Paint questions
Duh..... I obviously didn't look at your profile.
58 would put it 3 years before Cub Cadet production, so I'm guessing it should be 901.
58 would put it 3 years before Cub Cadet production, so I'm guessing it should be 901.
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- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Re: Paint questions
i wasnt making fun...i couldnt remember either.
my 1963 B414 has white wheels, very white what i can see of them. those were shipped without wheels i think, from great britain. to add to the mystery
my 1963 B414 has white wheels, very white what i can see of them. those were shipped without wheels i think, from great britain. to add to the mystery
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Re: Paint questions
The wheel disks were white, the rims silver. Front wheels were white. This is the same as Cub lo-Boys of the same time (roughly '58 - '61).
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1948 Farmall Super A - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: MD, Deep Creek Lake
Re: Paint questions
Would it have been 901 White, Jim?
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Re: Paint questions
It was 901. When they added white to the tractors in '56, they called out 233 white. Within a few months, the decisions started to reference 901. The decision for the 40/60 series specified 901. Here are relevant decisions.
Original use of white on tractors:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I037_01.gif
Example calling 901:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I071_02.gif
Decision for the 40/60 tractors:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I278_01.gif
Original use of white on tractors:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I037_01.gif
Example calling 901:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I071_02.gif
Decision for the 40/60 tractors:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I278_01.gif
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- Cub Pro
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- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
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- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Re: Paint questions
i suspect you were thinking of a row crop tractor but since it's a utility, the rims are one piece - and all white.The wheel disks were white, the rims silver
thanks Jim, for the info. Any idea as to the industrial yellow?
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Re: Paint questions
Most came with bolt-on rims, even the Utility. The one piece disc wheels were not fully adjustable for tread width, probably were mostly used on highway mowers or other industrial tractors.
I've never seen much specific on yellow paint from back in the late '40s. An industrial (more likely "commercial") Super A in 1948 would have probably been red, second most likely color would have been orange. The 1940 color sample chart listed number 80 Highway Yellow and number 90 Highway Orange. In the paint decisions, a 1955 entry adds 1211 International Orange as a regular option along with 50 Truck Red for Industrial Power machines. The earlierst reference I have seen to 483 Federal Yellow is 1961.
I've never seen much specific on yellow paint from back in the late '40s. An industrial (more likely "commercial") Super A in 1948 would have probably been red, second most likely color would have been orange. The 1940 color sample chart listed number 80 Highway Yellow and number 90 Highway Orange. In the paint decisions, a 1955 entry adds 1211 International Orange as a regular option along with 50 Truck Red for Industrial Power machines. The earlierst reference I have seen to 483 Federal Yellow is 1961.
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- Cub Pro
- Posts: 1871
- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
- Zip Code: 06457
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- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Re: Paint questions
thanks Jim. my 240 has one piece rims - no centers so they will get 901.
the 48 i'm going to have to think on. might go red... have to think on the orange. i have a 1948 Oliver 60 industrial that the base paint is what looks like a typical highway orange. so perhaps orange 90, that would stand out.
i appreciate the info. art
the 48 i'm going to have to think on. might go red... have to think on the orange. i have a 1948 Oliver 60 industrial that the base paint is what looks like a typical highway orange. so perhaps orange 90, that would stand out.
i appreciate the info. art
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- Cub Pro
- Posts: 1871
- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
- Zip Code: 06457
- eBay ID: cmtelephone
- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Re: Paint questions
so i walked by the 240U yesterday and was thinking about
and went... well color me stupid! The B414 and the 350U in the shop have one piece rims, but the 240U has 4 bolt rims and centers. And i sandblasted them! A senior moment!
Most came with bolt-on rims, even the Utility
and went... well color me stupid! The B414 and the 350U in the shop have one piece rims, but the 240U has 4 bolt rims and centers. And i sandblasted them! A senior moment!
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Re: Paint questions
The same I said about 240 wheels applies to the 350. I didn't even know they had one-piece wheels for the B-414, but I'm not surprised that it could have them.
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1957 Farmall Cub w/FH
1977 International Cub w/FH
1978 International Cub
1948 Farmall Super A - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: MD, Deep Creek Lake
Re: Paint questions
Art,
We all lose a few more of those brain cells every day.
We all lose a few more of those brain cells every day.
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- Cub Pro
- Posts: 1871
- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
- Zip Code: 06457
- eBay ID: cmtelephone
- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Re: Paint questions
more dead brain cells
the B414 actually has 6 bolt centers - and uses special 3 bolt wheel weights. I checked a B275 yesterday while i retorqued the head and it has the same wheels.
an interesting side note - the front wheels on the B series are what look like standard 4 bolt (for the wheel weights) one piece rims. they are different in the placement of the valve stem making the cutout in the weight in the wrong place. on the US rims, the valve stem is offset between two mounting bolts. on the British tractors, the stem lines up with a bolt hole.
The 350U HAS one piece rims, but it started life as a backhoe - loader, which probably explains it.
the B414 actually has 6 bolt centers - and uses special 3 bolt wheel weights. I checked a B275 yesterday while i retorqued the head and it has the same wheels.
an interesting side note - the front wheels on the B series are what look like standard 4 bolt (for the wheel weights) one piece rims. they are different in the placement of the valve stem making the cutout in the weight in the wrong place. on the US rims, the valve stem is offset between two mounting bolts. on the British tractors, the stem lines up with a bolt hole.
The 350U HAS one piece rims, but it started life as a backhoe - loader, which probably explains it.
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