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Paint questions

Postby artc » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:24 am

I'm replacing the tires on my 240 utility and blasted the rims in prep. they are supposed to be white, but which one?

901 white (greenish tint) used on the Cub Cadets till around 1966, or 935 (grayish tint) used after i think 1970? or something else?

while i'm on paint questions, what yellow would be used on a 1948 industrial super A? when did federal yellow start?
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Re: Paint questions

Postby Don McCombs » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:19 am

Art, what is the year of the tractor?
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Re: Paint questions

Postby artc » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:14 am

the 240U is a.....i dont remember exactly - so i'm going to look at my avatar...1958.

the Super A Industrial is a 48
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Re: Paint questions

Postby Don McCombs » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:37 pm

Duh..... I obviously didn't look at your profile. :D

58 would put it 3 years before Cub Cadet production, so I'm guessing it should be 901.
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Re: Paint questions

Postby artc » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:21 pm

i wasnt making fun...i couldnt remember either.

my 1963 B414 has white wheels, very white what i can see of them. those were shipped without wheels i think, from great britain. to add to the mystery
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Re: Paint questions

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:24 pm

The wheel disks were white, the rims silver. Front wheels were white. This is the same as Cub lo-Boys of the same time (roughly '58 - '61).
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Re: Paint questions

Postby Don McCombs » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:22 pm

Would it have been 901 White, Jim?
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Re: Paint questions

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:03 pm

It was 901. When they added white to the tractors in '56, they called out 233 white. Within a few months, the decisions started to reference 901. The decision for the 40/60 series specified 901. Here are relevant decisions.

Original use of white on tractors:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I037_01.gif
Example calling 901:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I071_02.gif
Decision for the 40/60 tractors:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/libraryarchives/ihc/paint/display.asp?pageurl=I278_01.gif
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Re: Paint questions

Postby artc » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:32 am

The wheel disks were white, the rims silver
i suspect you were thinking of a row crop tractor but since it's a utility, the rims are one piece - and all white.

thanks Jim, for the info. Any idea as to the industrial yellow?
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Re: Paint questions

Postby Jim Becker » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:30 pm

Most came with bolt-on rims, even the Utility. The one piece disc wheels were not fully adjustable for tread width, probably were mostly used on highway mowers or other industrial tractors.

I've never seen much specific on yellow paint from back in the late '40s. An industrial (more likely "commercial") Super A in 1948 would have probably been red, second most likely color would have been orange. The 1940 color sample chart listed number 80 Highway Yellow and number 90 Highway Orange. In the paint decisions, a 1955 entry adds 1211 International Orange as a regular option along with 50 Truck Red for Industrial Power machines. The earlierst reference I have seen to 483 Federal Yellow is 1961.
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Re: Paint questions

Postby artc » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:53 pm

thanks Jim. my 240 has one piece rims - no centers so they will get 901.

the 48 i'm going to have to think on. might go red... have to think on the orange. i have a 1948 Oliver 60 industrial that the base paint is what looks like a typical highway orange. so perhaps orange 90, that would stand out.

i appreciate the info. art
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Re: Paint questions

Postby artc » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:58 am

so i walked by the 240U yesterday and was thinking about
Most came with bolt-on rims, even the Utility


and went... well color me stupid! The B414 and the 350U in the shop have one piece rims, but the 240U has 4 bolt rims and centers. And i sandblasted them! A senior moment!
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Re: Paint questions

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:25 am

The same I said about 240 wheels applies to the 350. I didn't even know they had one-piece wheels for the B-414, but I'm not surprised that it could have them.
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Re: Paint questions

Postby Don McCombs » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:36 am

Art,

We all lose a few more of those brain cells every day. :D
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Re: Paint questions

Postby artc » Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:14 am

more dead brain cells :oops:

the B414 actually has 6 bolt centers - and uses special 3 bolt wheel weights. I checked a B275 yesterday while i retorqued the head and it has the same wheels.

an interesting side note - the front wheels on the B series are what look like standard 4 bolt (for the wheel weights) one piece rims. they are different in the placement of the valve stem making the cutout in the weight in the wrong place. on the US rims, the valve stem is offset between two mounting bolts. on the British tractors, the stem lines up with a bolt hole.

The 350U HAS one piece rims, but it started life as a backhoe - loader, which probably explains it.
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