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- pickerandsinger
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Dump Trailer
I've got a Big Tex dump trailer and it is a single dual action cylinder...The pump runs both ways...Both of my hoses developed leaks , so I changed them with NAPA 3/8 hoses made up to the correct length...Only thing was the guy used bigger diameter hoses than the ones I gave him and by the time they went thru a pipe and turned they were to short...I figured that since the pump operated both way I could swap them and they would work ( they fit that way)...Loaded the trailer and it wouldn't dump...( It worked fine empty)...So I got a hose extension made up and swapped them back around...think it will work now ????....Its fine again as long as its empty...I'll try it partially loaded when it dries out and I start hauling manure but I was wondering does that line that retracts the cylinder have a relief valve or something either in the pump outlet or the cylinder...Big Tex is of no help...Dave
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Re: Dump Trailer
If you hooked them back up the way they came off why wouldn't it work? Makes sense to me as long as you got all the air out of the system. You can't compress fluid but you can air, that may be why it wouldn't dump with a load.
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Re: Dump Trailer
I can think of no reason why it wouldn't work( however I didn't put it back that way till I got it unloaded and raised it with the lines backward)...Just thought someone might know more than I about the hook ups and why it wouldn't work the other way being as the pump ran in either direction...I googled it and some say a charged battery won't raise the dump if the solenoid detects a fault with the battery....Course it was the internet and I didn't think dump trailers were that smart but I did invest in a new bigger battery ( I need a spare for 50 loads of manure)...I bled it much like the way we bleed a TC, with the cap off and up and down a half dozen times...Wonder if I should crack a fitting like you do when bleeding diesel injectors...My loader is single action and that bleeds itself just by operating the loader up and down 3 or 4 times...I will only partially load it and try it when the time arises...Nothing worse than standing on the back of a dump trailer with a shovel and throwing mulch into a trip bucket that won't sit flat until its on the ground so it can't be used to scrape a dump trailer...Whats wrong with that picture....At least it was mulch..hahahaha...But she does have a camera on her cell phone...uh oh.....Dave
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Re: Dump Trailer
pickerandsinger wrote:I can think of no reason why it wouldn't work( however I didn't put it back that way till I got it unloaded and raised it with the lines backward)...Just thought someone might know more than I about the hook ups and why it wouldn't work the other way being as the pump ran in either direction...I googled it and some say a charged battery won't raise the dump if the solenoid detects a fault with the battery....Course it was the internet and I didn't think dump trailers were that smart but I did invest in a new bigger battery ( I need a spare for 50 loads of manure)...I bled it much like the way we bleed a TC, with the cap off and up and down a half dozen times...Wonder if I should crack a fitting like you do when bleeding diesel injectors...My loader is single action and that bleeds itself just by operating the loader up and down 3 or 4 times...I will only partially load it and try it when the time arises...Nothing worse than standing on the back of a dump trailer with a shovel and throwing mulch into a trip bucket that won't sit flat until its on the ground so it can't be used to scrape a dump trailer...Whats wrong with that picture....At least it was mulch..hahahaha...But she does have a camera on her cell phone...uh oh.....Dave
Fifty loads of manure? You growing mushrooms up there?
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Re: Dump Trailer
Fifty loads of manure? You growing mushrooms up there? .....Here I got all excited and figured if you answered I'd get the straight "poop" , so to speak" buttttt".. .My neighbor found a horse farm that wanted rid of manure , so he's getting 50 loads and I'm getting 50 loads and we're stock piling it and of course using some on out gardens... Been waiting for it to dry up to get to it though...People tell me I'm full of crap and I'm trying to prove them right... ..... Dave
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Re: Dump Trailer
You might want to look at putting a pressure gauges in the up and down Circuits to trouble shoot. I guessing you still have air in the system,or a weak pump.
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Re: Dump Trailer
I'm also betting on air in the lines. The Air in the line compresses due to the weight. Here's how you can tell. Lift the trailer a bit (like 10-15 degrees) and carefully climb into the trailer. If it lowers when your weight is added, then there is air in the line. It should also feel quite firm and shouldn't be very bouncy if you jump a bit on it.
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Re: Dump Trailer
More than likely it's air still in the system or lack of hydraulic pump pressure.
However, measure the trailer's bore/piston diameter in square inches, multiply times advertised pump pressure. It could be that the load weights more than the hydraulic cylinder can move.
However, measure the trailer's bore/piston diameter in square inches, multiply times advertised pump pressure. It could be that the load weights more than the hydraulic cylinder can move.
I have an excuse. CRS.
- pickerandsinger
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F/H Disc Harrow for cub L-38
C-22 Sickle Bar Mower
IH C2 and C3 mower
Universal tool attachment with disc hillers..Rear cultivators (various tips
York Rake for Cub home made
Single bottom Plow for Cub F194
Gravely 5660 12 hp/ w snoblower.rototiller,bush hog - Circle of Safety: Y
Re: Dump Trailer
Thanks guys, I'll try all that and then go get a load of mulch for the supreme test...I have a gauge , been wanting to jump up and down, and Its not because the load outsizes the cylinder for sure cause it was only mulch and I've had the same amount of crusher run on it..and manure..and dirt come to think of it.The see thru reservoir seems to go down appropriately when the cylinder extends and back to normal when it retracts so I'll give the previously mentioned suggestions a try and see....Thanks for the replies gentlemen....
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Re: Dump Trailer
pickerandsinger wrote:Thanks guys, I'll try all that and then go get a load of mulch for the supreme test...I have a gauge , been wanting to jump up and down, and Its not because the load outsizes the cylinder for sure cause it was only mulch and I've had the same amount of crusher run on it..and manure..and dirt come to think of it.The see thru reservoir seems to go down appropriately when the cylinder extends and back to normal when it retracts so I'll give the previously mentioned suggestions a try and see....Thanks for the replies gentlemen....
Your first post says a single cylinder, double acting and you say it has 2 hoses, correct? Your reservoir shouldn't move much at all if that's the case.
Every home is a school, what are you teaching?
- pickerandsinger
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1954 Cub w/fast hitch (Ira)
1948 Cub ( Papa Paul)with Henderson loader..
1951 Mutt mix Cub (BattleAx
1950 Farmall Cub (basket case demo)
Cub parts tractor
2019 " KuB"ota 2601 loader and roto tiller
1951 Ferguson TEA 20 (parts)( Uncle Rusty)
F/H Disc Harrow for cub L-38
C-22 Sickle Bar Mower
IH C2 and C3 mower
Universal tool attachment with disc hillers..Rear cultivators (various tips
York Rake for Cub home made
Single bottom Plow for Cub F194
Gravely 5660 12 hp/ w snoblower.rototiller,bush hog - Circle of Safety: Y
Re: Dump Trailer
....Holds about a gallon and its not leaking , so it has to be going somewhere.. Goes down a couple inches last I noticed. I filled it with the cylinder retracted.....Worked in the gardens all day and rain tomorrow so I'll check it over good on Friday unless we get a break in the rain...Sure fire test is to load it again.. I need another 3 1/2 yards of mulch for her flowers etc so that'll do it...I'll do the checks mentioned and if they are all ok, I'll load it and see...Then if it don't lift it, I'll shovel it off again and start over...University of Hard Knocks... .I just piped hydraulics on a tractor from scratch but this has me stumped , unless its ok now ,and there was something that prevents pressure from going to high in a return line, even if the pump is running...Or it had air in the lines.. DaveChipmaker wrote:pickerandsinger wrote:Thanks guys, I'll try all that and then go get a load of mulch for the supreme test...I have a gauge , been wanting to jump up and down, and Its not because the load outsizes the cylinder for sure cause it was only mulch and I've had the same amount of crusher run on it..and manure..and dirt come to think of it.The see thru reservoir seems to go down appropriately when the cylinder extends and back to normal when it retracts so I'll give the previously mentioned suggestions a try and see....Thanks for the replies gentlemen....
Your first post says a single cylinder, double acting and you say it has 2 hoses, correct? Your reservoir shouldn't move much at all if that's the case.
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Re: Dump Trailer
If if is power up and down it will take multiple cycles to get the system purged of air.
It doesn't take very much air in a hydraulic system to create the issues you describe. I would cycle the system several more times before you attempt to load the system.
It doesn't take very much air in a hydraulic system to create the issues you describe. I would cycle the system several more times before you attempt to load the system.
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- pickerandsinger
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1953 Cub w/ sprayer and 54A blade (Chompers)
1954 Cub w/fast hitch (Ira)
1948 Cub ( Papa Paul)with Henderson loader..
1951 Mutt mix Cub (BattleAx
1950 Farmall Cub (basket case demo)
Cub parts tractor
2019 " KuB"ota 2601 loader and roto tiller
1951 Ferguson TEA 20 (parts)( Uncle Rusty)
F/H Disc Harrow for cub L-38
C-22 Sickle Bar Mower
IH C2 and C3 mower
Universal tool attachment with disc hillers..Rear cultivators (various tips
York Rake for Cub home made
Single bottom Plow for Cub F194
Gravely 5660 12 hp/ w snoblower.rototiller,bush hog - Circle of Safety: Y
Re: Dump Trailer
.....Ok Steve, I was told that today by another feller also...I worked on a transmission today but I'm heading out to cycle the dump trailer some more....Thanks..DaveSteve Butram wrote:If if is power up and down it will take multiple cycles to get the system purged of air.
It doesn't take very much air in a hydraulic system to create the issues you describe. I would cycle the system several more times before you attempt to load the system.
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- pickerandsinger
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- Tractors Owned: 1957 Cub Low Boy w/ FH Mott Flail Mower
1953 Cub w/ sprayer and 54A blade (Chompers)
1954 Cub w/fast hitch (Ira)
1948 Cub ( Papa Paul)with Henderson loader..
1951 Mutt mix Cub (BattleAx
1950 Farmall Cub (basket case demo)
Cub parts tractor
2019 " KuB"ota 2601 loader and roto tiller
1951 Ferguson TEA 20 (parts)( Uncle Rusty)
F/H Disc Harrow for cub L-38
C-22 Sickle Bar Mower
IH C2 and C3 mower
Universal tool attachment with disc hillers..Rear cultivators (various tips
York Rake for Cub home made
Single bottom Plow for Cub F194
Gravely 5660 12 hp/ w snoblower.rototiller,bush hog - Circle of Safety: Y
Re: Dump Trailer
Well gentlemen everything worked fine today...I have no idea if it was putting the lines back the way there were, bleeding the air by operating it up and down about 8 times last night, or the new battery but it unloaded heavy wet manure with no problem...I do appreciate your input and thanks for responding to my post... Dave....
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