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Rob in NH wrote:check out garage journal.com , lots of great ideas on building , organizing and setting up your shop space.
Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:48 am
Jason (IL) wrote:I would look into spending the money for all new posts and get yourself at least a 10' ceiling height. I my thoughts as many say is "it will never be big enough" and I can surely attest to that as I have now moved a few tractors outside so I can get more important and newer stuff inside. I too am thinking of building a shed next fall, 40' x 80' though. I figure it may take me some time to fill it. It will be all cold storage.
Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:51 am
outdoors4evr wrote:Hope you cut off the part of the 6x6 that was underground. These might not be treated at all. If not, then don't use.
Just a couple of thoughts...
Pole building sizes usually come in 8' increments. (standard board lengths) Anything less than 8' you are still paying for 8' and just cutting off the boards and trashing.
A 9' ceiling allows for a 7' garage door opening (roll-up style). If it were me I would work very hard to try to get an 8' garage door with a 10' ceiling.
Most people pour a biscuit of cement in the bottom of the hole for the post to sit on. (about 1 bag)
You should sit down at a lumberyard and have the building designed. Then substitute in the lumber you have available or use the lumber you have to build the walls or your hayloft inside the structure.
Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:54 am
Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:08 pm
Bigschuss wrote:If I sink the 6x6's into the ground I gain the structural integrity of a buried timber (as opposed to setting them on concrete piers),
Bigschuss wrote:I was thinking about using the double 2x12x16's as my roof rafters. Since they are doubled, can I get away with spacing them every 2' on center, then run my 2x4 purlins across for a metal roof?
Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:12 am
Well, you know how to check stock. Anyone who can build like you can .. I have no worries about the quality of the stock you decide to use. Recycled stock is about the most economical that you can come by. I also understand the value behind it when you have limited coin to spend on the project or have material that needs to be utilized intelligently without a lot of added out of pocket cost.
There are different types of pole barns .. from stick to well .. telephone poles. I am no expert but I do have some experience in architectural design and building construction. This is just my thoughts on the questions.....Bigschuss wrote:If I sink the 6x6's into the ground I gain the structural integrity of a buried timber (as opposed to setting them on concrete piers),
True, but as you have remarked they are 40 years old and already subjected to rot in specific areas. I don't much like putting wood into the ground at all unless it is either Hemlock, Douglas Fir or Redwood. And it is a waste of expensive material to do that. Since telephone poles are not in the mix, I would choose instead to sink piers with big foot forms and quad face saddles for the posts. Let's say you can get 10 or 12 feet out of them - gives you 10 foot ceilings. Then to maximize the stock you have I would increase the size to something that makes sense stock wise. You are thinking 34 feet .. well up it to 40 foot and that gives 4 10' section with a total of 5 posts per side. Larger than originally thought, but more efficient use of the stock. For the ends say up the dimension to 30 foot to keep uniform spacing. Then use lap or 1/2 mortise joints for the rim beam top and bottom. Notch in Y's for each section .. leave enough room for windows etc., and then infill the wall openings with 2x4 western/stick framing. I would then attach a rubber dam all the way around the building to keep moisture out and consequently reduce the potential for rot. The rubber dam can be sourced from recycled tractor trailer or larger heavy equipment inner tubes. These are typically 50mil stock and will last for at least a century This will give you basically post and beam construction which you are very familiar with and very little outlay for stock.Bigschuss wrote:I was thinking about using the double 2x12x16's as my roof rafters. Since they are doubled, can I get away with spacing them every 2' on center, then run my 2x4 purlins across for a metal roof?
Simple answer has to be yes. The maximum unsupported horizontal span for a single 2x12 of SPF is 12'-9". A doubled 2x12 would be at least an additional 75% .. so probably 20 foot max that is with the snow load taken into account. Check here - Maximum Span Calculator for Wood Joists & Rafters. Use the 2x4's for purlins at 24" OC and add the steel roof.
You will have a very stable pole barn done in a somewhat traditional way maximizing your stock usage and keeping your additional costs down. You may end up with sufficient stock left over from the main building for the lean to's etc which I would do in the same manner.
See my New Home For My Cubs thread to see how I built my pole barn using almost all recycled stock.
Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:47 pm