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Metallurgy Question

Postby PVF1799 » Sat May 02, 2015 6:38 pm

I'm working on dismantling the hydraulic drive motor from a skid-steer.

There are A LOT of socket-head cap screws that are hardened and unremovable. We had to cut the heads off with my torch. Now for the question.

Does hardened steel get harder, softer or stay the same when you get it red-hot?

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Re: Metallurgy Question

Postby tst » Sat May 02, 2015 6:44 pm

I would have heated the metal the bolt was in to expand it to loosen the bolt, you can still do that but now use vise grips or what ever to grab whats left of the bolt, if you cut it flush they might have to drill and tap, just hacking them off should not change the temper much

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Re: Metallurgy Question

Postby Jim Reid » Sat May 02, 2015 9:14 pm

I have a friend who does my welding and helping free rusty bolts and pieces he says as long as you let it cool naturally it don't change the hardness.

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Re: Metallurgy Question

Postby Urbish » Mon May 04, 2015 3:56 am

I'm a mechanical engineer. If you heat them up to glowing red hot, then let them cool slowly, you will anneal them.
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Re: Metallurgy Question

Postby PVF1799 » Wed May 06, 2015 7:18 pm

skwimjim wrote:I'm a mechanical engineer. If you heat them up to glowing red hot, then let them cool slowly, you will anneal them.


Jim - it was 1974 when I took metal shop in HS. Annealling is not one of the things I remember. I know it alters the chemical properties - question is harder or softer? I'm asking because I need to drill them out?

Thanks for your help, Ken

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Re: Metallurgy Question

Postby Don McCombs » Wed May 06, 2015 7:32 pm

anneal = heat (metal or glass) and allow it to cool slowly, in order to remove internal stresses and toughen it.
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Re: Metallurgy Question

Postby Bill Hudson » Wed May 06, 2015 7:33 pm

Ken,

Basically softer. Here is a quick read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annealing_(metallurgy).

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Re: Metallurgy Question

Postby bob in CT » Wed May 06, 2015 10:09 pm

If the cap screw was in a casting, you had a heat sink and a temperature gradient, so the entire screw did not get to the same temperature. I doubt that you had sufficient time at temperature(important) or the right cooling rate to anneal the screw, which is probably around RC40 which is fairly hard. You will need cobalt steel bits at a minimum.


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