154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

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154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby staninlowerAL » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:51 pm

Just wondering is someone has investigated or done this conversion. Will the std cub ring gear fit the 154 flywheel? There seems to be a groove on the flywheel where a ring gear might sit. Any changes need to be made to the drive line (shaft) between the engine and the clutch? Would this affect the position of the belt sheaves for the PTO drive? Might not be worth the effort and expense but starter/gen repair is getting to be a thing of the past in my area. Thanks for any suggestions. Stan

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby Mike H » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:40 pm

Looking to do the same on my 185.
it needs more wampum to start in real cold weather[roll over]
it looks like the fly wheel has a area for the gear just need to know the model # of the starter that will fit the c60 engine.
located a new ring gear all ready.

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby Brianleibo » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:30 am

Does the generator charge the battery constantly like a car alternator or just periodically? I ask only because with a multimeter on the battery and the Guage on tractor verifies it that it runs for awhile not charging then kicks in and starts charging at over 13 volts but sometimes runs at 12.4 not charging at all. Any opinions?

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby Ken (48 Cub) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:15 am

I believe that the frame as to be notched so the starter will fit also.
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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby staninlowerAL » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:59 pm

Ken (48 Cub) wrote:I believe that the frame as to be notched so the starter will fit also.
My frame is already "notched" on the top from the starter mount flange forward on both sides about 18 or 20 inches. Looks like it came that way from the factory. Someone else may have something different. I've got to try the starter and see if it will bolt up. Looks like there is enough room if it clears the water outlet connection. Stan

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby SONNY » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:16 pm

My flywheel has a step on it, but don't know if it would have to be machined more to get ring gear on or not.---My frame would have to be notched. thanks; sonny
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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby Mike H » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:59 am

Installing the ring gear is easy.
remove and clean the flywheel to bare metal with a wire wheel [safety glasses a must]
heat the ring gear in the oven [500 degrees],chill the flywheel
take ring gear set it in place on flywheel and gently tap it in place with a leather mallet before it cools.
some times they just drop on and just need seating

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby staninlowerAL » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:05 pm

Mike H, I know the procedure and have done it before, just not on a CUB 154 flywheel. My question was posted hoping someone who has actually done this on a CUB 154 would reply that it would fit and work without any modifications. Thanks. Stan

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby Mike H » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:47 am

as soon as the weather breaks I am going to start on the install.
the IH sets all summer so it will be a good time to do it.
have a running list of upgrades to do

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby staninlowerAL » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:35 pm

So are you upgrading a 154 in some way? I'm interested in what your're doing. Please post about it so we can follow along and learn. Thanks. Stan

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby Mike H » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:08 pm

Friday's update;
located a few ring gears for the C 60

12 Volt starter is a problem, have several parts people looking
don't want to have to use a 6 volt starter

I see the other thread on starters :?

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby staninlowerAL » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:22 pm

Mike, I'm looking to use a 6v starter and have the post changed so I can use the 154 electric solenoid. I used this adaptation once before with a Delco starter on an ALLIS B and it's worked extremely well. From my checking I believe either of the 12v FCub starters will work, TC37F parts manual said that the later model 12v replaces the earlier model. Also said ring gear 84T fits all.

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby Mike H » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:18 am

staninlowerAL wrote:Mike, I'm looking to use a 6v starter and have the post changed so I can use the 154 electric solenoid. I used this adaptation once before with a Delco starter on an ALLIS B and it's worked extremely well. From my checking I believe either of the 12v FCub starters will work, TC37F parts manual said that the later model 12v replaces the earlier model. Also said ring gear 84T fits all.


I did find in the archive [2010 ] a post using a 6 volt starter on a 12 volt system.

'''Jamie - frankly there's not much point in converting to 12 volts if you are wanting to keep a generator. One of the main reasons for converting to 12 volts is the reliability and economics of using an alternator.
The conversion can be accomplished by installing a 12 volt coil (which you may already have) and switching the headlight and taillight bulbs to 12 volt. '''You can keep the 6 volt starter. '''
Install an alternator and you are ready to go. If you use a generator you will need a 12 volt generator and voltage regulator which are the weak link in either a 6 or 12 volt system.'''

so I guess if the 12 volt starter isn't available a 6 volt will have to do.
I have the electronic ignition on the 185 so long cranking isn't an issue.
I like the manual starter switch on the cub so ill be able to just add the new starter and have 2.

Mike

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby dirtbuggy » Thu May 11, 2017 6:15 pm

I changed one for a friend, had to trim the frame where the starter went in.got a starter through a company for a 184, took the wire off the gen. from the solenoid and ran to the starter. It really works great. Yes a 6v.starter will work on a 12v batt for a long time, you just cannot hold it on for a long period of time.

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Re: 154-Converting starter-gen to std starter & ring gear

Postby staninlowerAL » Thu May 11, 2017 8:40 pm

dirtbuggy wrote:...had to trim the frame where the starter went in...
Assuming you are talking about the cross member part of the frame. I noticed that this will have to be done for the "nose" of the starter to go through far enough to attach the starter flange to the block. Were there any issues/problems with adding the ring gear to the 154 flywheel? TKS. Stan


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