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do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
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1972 SS12 retro fitted
1977 F150 pull truck
1978 F250 4x4 bush truck
Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
I did find a issue with the new voltage regulator [defective]
the unit does not cycle and is stuck on charge.
the points are not stuck together.
the voltage ranges from 11-15 volts
depending on the RPM'S.
push the points open and the generator quits charging
checked the connections and they are right.
battery fully charged [hooked to the F250 for 30 minutes and it stabilized at 12.95 volts].
new part will be here tuesday next week [no cost]
hopefully this will FIX a lot of
issues with the 185
Mike
the unit does not cycle and is stuck on charge.
the points are not stuck together.
the voltage ranges from 11-15 volts
depending on the RPM'S.
push the points open and the generator quits charging
checked the connections and they are right.
battery fully charged [hooked to the F250 for 30 minutes and it stabilized at 12.95 volts].
new part will be here tuesday next week [no cost]
hopefully this will FIX a lot of
issues with the 185
Mike
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
Are you sure the voltage regulator was well grounded?
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
yes.
checked it with my fluke 23 multi meter.
had .023 volts DC from regulator to ground.
Mike
checked it with my fluke 23 multi meter.
had .023 volts DC from regulator to ground.
Mike
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
we just got 28 inches + here in WV. I have a mckee 320 on my 184, motor is rebuilt and it has a creeper, in such a deep snow as this I needed the creeper 100 percent, the other thing I needed was weight, since I have a 3 point, I hung my scraper blade on the back, worked well for weight, I will be building a weight system for the back soon. I was surprised at how well the mckee worked until the tractor broke after 16 hrs of constant uses.......lol, distributor bushing wore out and selector valve started leaking bad......but the mckee held it's own!!!
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
thank you for the posting Mastercraft.[it give's me hope for the 185's future]
a lot of great information and direction for my rebuild.
Mike H
a lot of great information and direction for my rebuild.
Mike H
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
Mike H, scroll down the threads on the page and you'll see my thread on my mckee 320 with pics.........in fact when I was a kid my Dad had a 185 with the Mckee 320 and his didn't have the creeper, heck I was so young and the internet didn't exist then in the mid 80's that I didn't even know and I'm sure he didn't either, that the mckee 320 was recommended to be used with a creeper.............he used us as weight standing on the back drawbar and sitting on the fenders many times and in deep snow he often had to use the clutch a lot..........since he didn't have a creeper it taxed the motor more and eventually he fitted the mckee 320 with a 12 hp Briggs, I was going to do the same, however after seeing how well my 184 did power wise with a freshly rebuilt motor and the creeper, I think I'll leave it as is using the PTO to drive the blower. If you plan on blowing snow on mostly flat ground, you may get away without weight, however where I live I have some tremendous hills in our community and I need the weight system without a doubt.
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
I think I'm going to save $ till next fall and try to get a creeper gear set up. I have no hills but my chains i guess weigh about three hundred pounds together!! The tires don't slip at all.
Thanks E.V.
Thanks E.V.
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
something I did find today is the shive ratio I think is too high
so it over loads the motor.
its 1.75/1,I think it should be 3/1
[3 of the drive to 1 of the blower]
I don't need to toss the snow back up to God just off the drive way
Mike H
so it over loads the motor.
its 1.75/1,I think it should be 3/1
[3 of the drive to 1 of the blower]
I don't need to toss the snow back up to God just off the drive way
Mike H
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
@Mike H - Trying to understand further... Do you mean that your PTO ratio is spinning your McKee 3x the engine speed?
Will you change out the PTO belt pulleys to get the proper ratio?
Have any photos of ways that this ratio got out of whack?
Will you change out the PTO belt pulleys to get the proper ratio?
Have any photos of ways that this ratio got out of whack?
184 w/ Creeper & 3-Point
IH 3160a Mower
IH Model 15 Tiller
IH-54 Blade
IH 3160a Mower
IH Model 15 Tiller
IH-54 Blade
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
pto turns 1.75 revolution's to turn the blower 1 revolution
I think it needs to be;
pto turns 3 revolution's to turn the blower 1 revolution
slow the blower down and increase the power
Mike H
I think it needs to be;
pto turns 3 revolution's to turn the blower 1 revolution
slow the blower down and increase the power
Mike H
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
A 185 running wide open with a load on the PTO should be turning at roughly 1850 rpm's.
If your estimate is correct regarding the 1.75:1 ratio, then your blower would be turning approximately 1057 rpm's. This seems quite reasonable for a blower.
You could change the ratio by adjusting the belt pulley sizes on the PTO and driveshaft. A 2:1 ratio would give 925 rpm's for the blower. 3:1 would be 616 rpm's.
Note: less RPM's can also be accomplished by backing down that throttle lever.
If your estimate is correct regarding the 1.75:1 ratio, then your blower would be turning approximately 1057 rpm's. This seems quite reasonable for a blower.
You could change the ratio by adjusting the belt pulley sizes on the PTO and driveshaft. A 2:1 ratio would give 925 rpm's for the blower. 3:1 would be 616 rpm's.
Note: less RPM's can also be accomplished by backing down that throttle lever.
184 w/ Creeper & 3-Point
IH 3160a Mower
IH Model 15 Tiller
IH-54 Blade
IH 3160a Mower
IH Model 15 Tiller
IH-54 Blade
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1978 F250 4x4 bush truck
Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
industry standards for PTO driven equipment has been at 540 RPM for as long as I can remember is the reason why I question my set up[it was put together like this at time of purchase in 2015]
Mike H
Mike H
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
McKee built implements (and other things) for many different tractors. The 320 was designed for use with the numbered loboy. (PTO and all)
If your McKee components are original design, then this is how McKee designed it.
The blowers do use a lot of horsepower and generally are meant to be used at full throttle. The reason it blows snow so far is because of the second stage (which is a blessing).
Have a little fun and share your snow with a neighbor county.
If your McKee components are original design, then this is how McKee designed it.
The blowers do use a lot of horsepower and generally are meant to be used at full throttle. The reason it blows snow so far is because of the second stage (which is a blessing).
Have a little fun and share your snow with a neighbor county.
184 w/ Creeper & 3-Point
IH 3160a Mower
IH Model 15 Tiller
IH-54 Blade
IH 3160a Mower
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IH-54 Blade
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
Without the creeper with a single stage blower the snow piles up in the blower faster than the blower can get rid of it. It packs up. You need the creeper to monitor the lower ground speed so the blower is more efficient.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow
My $400 jeep cj5 tractor with lockrites is bread for plowing.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.
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