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creeper add on ?

Postby international » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:53 am

Ok sorry about the time lapse but engine is together and my 184 runs great ....no smoke and plenty of power ! Now i want to work it harder by possibly a one bottom plow and disc and a box blade . Can i do these things without a creeper or granny gear ? I plow snow with a custom 7 ft blade fine in first gear but i think dirt work will need some slower speeds and slipping the clutch probably isnt the best idea ! Can i add a granny gear ?

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby GreaseMnky85 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:39 am

I have been looking to do the same thing. I don't see why you couldn't. Every creeper gear I have seen is about $800 for the set up. Good Luck!

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby gitractorman » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:05 am

Honestly, you don't need a creeper gear for any of those things. The creeper gear is only good for slowing down the ground speed to let a snow blower or tiller work longer in one spot before the tractor moves. For plowing dirt with a turning plow you'll likely run in 2nd gear, to get the furrow to flip over properly. If you go too slow, the furrow can actually flop back into place, so 2nd gear is typically your field plowing gear.

To plow snow, you're typically doing the same thing, running in 2nd gear to get the snow to curl of the blade rather than just bunch up.

Plowing dirt or grading dirt/gravel is a little different. Here too, the creeper is not proper to use as it can give you the false sense of the amount of material the tractor can push. If you cannot push material in standard 1st gear, you're trying to push too much. Same with the box blade, you should only be trying to move the amount of dirt you can with the tractor in 1st gear, and likely, you'll end up running in second gear to drag material out and spread it nicely.
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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby outdoors4evr » Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:29 am

No need for a creeper to use these implements. The creeper reduces groundspeed but is not really made for increasing torque.
You may need some AG tires for your 184 to move dirt. (Got pic's???)
Some have put spacers and chains on their turf tires to plow dirt with for additional traction.
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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby international » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:20 am

Ok , thats good news ! I didnt want to buy the impliments until i had a better idea if it would work so now i gotta get myself some more toys and really make this thing work !

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby GreaseMnky85 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:33 am

If you don't have spaces for now just take your fenders off until you can get some spacers. It's not recommended but it would work.

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby BigBill » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:33 pm

One of my 154's has no creeper with 8.3 turf tires with ladder chains it was a joke trying to push snow. My other 154 has the creeper with one set of rear wheel weights its a lot stronger in low, low pushing snow.
Through the experience I believe two sets of front and rear wheel weights with my duo cross tire chains with the creeper will handle pushing snow much better. I think having the creeper tranny is a plus.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby international » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:21 am

I would agree that a creeper would be a plus but if its not absolutely necessary to pull a 5 ft box blade I'd rather not get one now and just keep a look for one (cheap!) I have 2.5 spacers on float tires and chains for winter plowing and it will push a mound and drive over anything with weight on 3 pt ! On another note I used it to drag out some stumps the other day and even without chains and in mud this thing impressed me .... I bet one of the stumps weighed more than the tractor

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby GreaseMnky85 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:45 pm

The creeper would be nice but is it worth the $800 for one? Is it really needed for plowing dirt?

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby Bill Hudson » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:36 pm

To do a good job of moldboard plowing with a numbered Cub, ground clearance will be a real issue. Likewise, when disking a rough plowed field. A numbered Cub is best used for its original intention, "estate" maintenance -- mowing grass and plowing snow. Beyond those activities, you are stretching past the limits of design.

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby outdoors4evr » Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:31 am

A numbered cub also was offered with a tiller - which works very well with a 3-point hitch and a creeper.
A 3-point plow also is in the accessories brochure. Shown with standard tractor tires (not the high floatation turn tires)
Properly equipped with the correct options, these are not a stretch of the design, but a great use of assets already owned.

(Pretty sure a set of disc's are shown too)
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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby mastercraft » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:28 am

correct..........add some ag tires and these tractors can accomplish decent tasks in comparison with small compacts tractors..............I've seen them with ag tires tilling /plowing up decent sized areas for the larger than normal gardener.

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby SONNY » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:52 am

My 185 is strictly a lawn mower,--NOT a farm tractor,---too light made for farm/garden work. thanks; sonny
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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby BigBill » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:55 pm

I have a cub cadet 100 setup for just tilling with the creeper,
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: creeper add on ?

Postby outdoors4evr » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:03 am

So I have seen a 3-point hitch single bottom moldboard plow in the 184 brochures, but have no idea what model it is or how deep it digs.

Would a "generic brand' class 1 3-point hitch moldboard plow work on a numbered loboy with a 3-point hitch? I am thinking something like this...
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/countyline-1-bottom-plow

How do you adjust for the width of the tractor so that the wheel fits in the furrow?
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