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Loader question.

Postby welderskelter » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:50 pm

I want to build a loader for my 154. I dont like the high lift and the weight that most of the loaders I have seen offer. My loader will only probably lift high enough to load dirt into a pickup but its a small tractor, right? Anybody got some schematics or a good side pic of one that looks right? Thanks Harold
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Re: Loader question.

Postby Landreo » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:14 pm

I have a IHC loader on a 154. Reducing the lift height would not save much weight. Most of the weight appears to be in the arms and sub frame. Shrinking the arms may save a little weight but i expect less than 50 lbs. If the bucket and lift capacity was downsized then you could save both on the bucket weight, lift arms, and subframe. Rudi can point out the location of the loader manual for a general idea of construction. There are also sites with smaller loaders for cadet sized tractors which may help.

I like the idea of building your own loader, if you do please post construction photos.

BigBill was building a 154 loader/backhoe but I believe it is bigger than what you want.
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Re: Loader question.

Postby Eugene » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:00 pm

http://loz.craigslist.org/grd/3590916110.html

Bit over priced but there is a loader and back hoe included. Might contact the seller and see if he will sell the loader separately.
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Re: Loader question.

Postby gitractorman » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:18 pm

I think you're probably still looking at a standard loader for a Lo-boy. They really don't lift much higher than the sides of a pickup, when you account for the down angle on the bucket needed to dump the material from it. I think the lo-boy loader only lifts about 8-feet high, but you take about 2-feet of that away when you dump the bucket. Sides on a standard pickup are probably 5-feet high, so you only have about a foot of clearance. Also remember the geometry of a loader... the higher you lift, the further back over the hood the load is, so you need some arm reach just to be able to dump materials out in front of the tractor without hitting the hood. Just some thoughts..
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Re: Loader question.

Postby welderskelter » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:27 am

I like that one Eugene. Its not as lengthy as most I have seen. I have saved that pic. Thanks
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Re: Loader question.

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:54 pm

Lighter pipe based frame, like the Wagner, would reduce weight. Ed
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Re: Loader question.

Postby BigBill » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:20 pm

I went looking for a tractor with a loader and got sticker shock at the new and used prices. I figure i could build it better for way less of the cost. My pics are in the photo section here under bigbill

I'm building my loader with no plans just off the top of my head with what i want it to be. I'm boxing the frame from the front to the rear and using tapered cut and welded channel for the arms. Right now i'm getting ready to do the rear subframe for the backhoe. The front axle needs to be upgraded or strengthened with power steering. I figure it would cost me around 30 to 40k for a new machine but this should run with all new hydraulics and free steel that have inhouse about 5k. Once i finish up my yrad work with it its going to sit and i have no payments on it.

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You need to do a lot of accurate drilling and reaming. I just picked up a rockwell BUX magnetic drill to make it much easier. Remember the rear subframe has to be removeable just incase the finals or tranny ever needsw work but not in my lifetime for sure. We do need access to do repairs if need be. My FEL arms are exactly the same length pin to pin. My uprites on the tractor for ther arms are exactly in the same position too.

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Re: Loader question.

Postby BigBill » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:23 pm

You could build a johnny bucket for the front??
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Re: Loader question.

Postby welderskelter » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:56 am

Thanks Big Bill. I like the idea of building instead of buying a loader. A backhoe would be a lot of help too. Not sure the tractor frame can take it. Wish you would get some pics on here on yours. Thanks Harold
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Re: Loader question.

Postby BigBill » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:32 pm

I believe my pics are in the photo section here of my front subframe and loader arms. The rear subframe will be easy to do.

My updated pics are on the way let me know if you receive them. I used all thin walled 6" channel so far. Remember the strength is in the vertical position. Your stronger welds are the vertical ones too. I did not weld on the vertical part of the orginal frame too. I tac welded on the very top and bottom edges.

The 154 will do everything i need to do with no problems. My neighbor has a 147 cub cadet with a danco bucket and you should see what abuse they do with the bucket. They dig straight down into a hillside and remove bucket filled with dirt/rocks. They work this little tractor to its limits and she still runs and looks for more work. Seeing this i figure my 154 will do fine with no morgage sized payments on it.
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Re: Loader question.

Postby BigBill » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:56 am

My pics were sent to you, did you get them??? What do you think of my plans?
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Re: Loader question.

Postby welderskelter » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:39 pm

Got em. I think it will work. I probably will build mine a bit smaller but it looks good. Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner. Thanks for the pics.
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Re: Loader question.

Postby BigBill » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:00 pm

Remember i'm using all thin walled channel. I boxed the front lifting arms from channel too.
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Re: Loader question.

Postby welderskelter » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:32 pm

BigBill. Where did you get your cylinders for your loader? Harold
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Re: Loader question.

Postby CharlieB » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:45 pm

Here is another one on CL

might get some ideas.....

http://louisville.craigslist.org/grd/3677262932.html



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