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B Sleeves

Postby arlen » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:09 pm

I'm looking around for sleeves and pistons, and the ones at Yesterday's tractors are all 3 1/8 bore which is 1/8 overbore.
Does anyone carry 3" bore sets? I didn't see any on Steiner's website.
Is it even a big deal, other than the wall being 1/16 inch thinner?
I can't imagine it would add much HP.

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Re: B Sleeves

Postby Don McCombs » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:19 pm

When the engine on my Super A was re-done (prior to my ownership), 3.125 sleeves and pistons were used instead of 3.00. I don’t think it required any boring. It has to provide some power increase, otherwise IH wouldn’t have changed production.
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Re: B Sleeves

Postby arlen » Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:12 pm

Would I be better off sticking with the flat top pistons?

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Re: B Sleeves

Postby Eugene » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:47 pm

The reduced cylinder wall thickness won't be a problem. Not a big deal.

I would go with flat topped pistons.
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Re: B Sleeves

Postby SamsFarm » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:07 pm

3 inch pistons with 4 inch stroke yeild 113 cubic inches
3.125 pistons with a 4 inch stroke yeild 123 cubic inches

I would want the dome pistons!

A little extra compression equals a little extra horse power!
:)

The 100, 130, 140, super C, 200, 230 and the 240 all have the 3.125 pistons!

Make sure you get the right sleeve set.
Depending on what serial number your engine block is!

Check out the Clevite brand!
Get you some quotes from nappa and summit racing too.

Beware of poor quality imports.
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Re: B Sleeves

Postby arlen » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:17 pm

SamsFarm wrote:3 inch pistons with 4 inch stroke yeild 113 cubic inches
3.125 pistons with a 4 inch stroke yeild 123 cubic inches

I would want the dome pistons!

A little extra compression equals a little extra horse power!
:)

The 100, 130, 140, super C, 200, 230 and the 240 all have the 3.125 pistons!

Make sure you get the right sleeve set.
Depending on what serial number your engine block is!

Check out the Clevite brand!
Get you some quotes from nappa and summit racing too.

Beware of poor quality imports.


I will look at the Clevite brand. Is that the brand that Napa carries?
Would the ones on Yesterday’s tractors fall under the “cheap import” category?
I found it odd that Steiner don’t list any on their website.
Can I just measure the ones I have to figure out the proper ones?
I’m not sure which one of the numbers on my block is the serial number.
There is a number on the block that matches the tractor serial number...107313. Is that what you go by?

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Re: B Sleeves

Postby SamsFarm » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:29 am

arlen wrote:I will look at the Clevite brand. Is that the brand that Napa carries?
Would the ones on Yesterday’s tractors fall under the “cheap import” category?
I found it odd that Steiner don’t list any on their website.
Can I just measure the ones I have to figure out the proper ones?
I’m not sure which one of the numbers on my block is the serial number.
There is a number on the block that matches the tractor serial number...107313. Is that what you go by?


You cant tell who is selling what anymore, best to grab a pen and paper and call as many as you can and ask them!
(Who made it, where was it made, what is included, how mush is the cost)

Dont forget that a lot of parts are available from CaseIH, even the Deere dealers can get parts for other brands of tractors! (I bought a pilot bushing for a Farmall BN last year from my local Deere dealer!)

The part of the sleeve that you need to measure is the outside diameter of the lower part, (the sleeve has to be out of the block to measure that area) from my understanding there are 2 different sizes based on which serial number range block you have.

Some tractors have matching serial numbers, some do not!
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Re: B Sleeves

Postby Don McCombs » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:38 am

arlen wrote:There is a number on the block that matches the tractor serial number...107313. Is that what you go by?

That should be it.
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Re: B Sleeves

Postby Super A » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:21 am

arlen wrote:
SamsFarm wrote:3 inch pistons with 4 inch stroke yeild 113 cubic inches
3.125 pistons with a 4 inch stroke yeild 123 cubic inches

I would want the dome pistons!

A little extra compression equals a little extra horse power!
:)

The 100, 130, 140, super C, 200, 230 and the 240 all have the 3.125 pistons!

Make sure you get the right sleeve set.
Depending on what serial number your engine block is!

Check out the Clevite brand!
Get you some quotes from nappa and summit racing too.

Beware of poor quality imports.


I will look at the Clevite brand. Is that the brand that Napa carries?
Would the ones on Yesterday’s tractors fall under the “cheap import” category?
I found it odd that Steiner don’t list any on their website.
Can I just measure the ones I have to figure out the proper ones?
I’m not sure which one of the numbers on my block is the serial number.
There is a number on the block that matches the tractor serial number...107313. Is that what you go by?


I would go with NAPA, CARQUEST, etc.

It's been a while but the kit I put in one of my Super As was Tisco--or whatever Tisco is called now---I believe it's SMA. The individual components in the kit may be from a variety of sources.

Tell them you need a kit for an early A/B. Take your tractor serial number just to be sure.

That extra 1/8" from 113 to 123 cid is a fairly nice little boost, percentage-wise.

For the sake of discussion, The way an old-school mechanic told me, "as sorry as gas is now, don't worry with the domed pistons." The original IH Fire Crater kits you could get from IH back-when included 3 1/8" domed pistons, bigger carb jets, and different innards for the distributor. In other words, just putting domed pistons in probably won't give you the same power boost without all the other goodies. My Granddaddy put a kit (they called it a "Super C Kit") in his Super A in the 60s and he said it would go with a load in 3rd gear that he used to only handle in 2nd.

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Re: B Sleeves

Postby arlen » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:15 pm

Steiner does have them. Is there anything wrong with getting a set from them?

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Re: B Sleeves

Postby SamsFarm » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:57 pm

Get them from who ever has the best parts for the best price. If steiner trips your trigger, go for it!

Me personally, I go out of my way to buy made in USA, but other people are different, since I did not call around, I dont know who has what!

Me, I want as good as OEM or BETTER! You might not be as picky as me! :)

Dont forget to add that shipping quote to the price when shopping around and / or the sales tax if you are not agricultural tax exempt!
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Re: B Sleeves

Postby Gary Dotson » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:06 am

I don't know who makes Steiner's piston / sleeve kit, probably suit you just fine, though.

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Re: B Sleeves

Postby arlen » Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:37 am

Thanks for all of the advice. I admit that I grow weary of the search sometimes and just want to hit the "easy button".
The local dealer isn't much help these days, their Farmall expert just retired, and they source most parts through places like Steiner anyway.
I'm hoping I can at least get an OEM carb kit. I've heard they are the best.
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Re: B Sleeves

Postby indy61 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:50 pm

arlen wrote:Thanks for all of the advice. I admit that I grow weary of the search sometimes and just want to hit the "easy button".
the local dealer isn't much help these days, their farmall expert just retired, and the source most parts through places like Steiner anyway.
I'm hoping I ca at least get an OEM carb kit at least. I've heard they are the best.

I was told many parts from CASE/IH for Farmall tractors are aftermarket from A&I Products.
For a carb kit I would recommend McDonald Carb & Ignition.

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Re: B Sleeves

Postby arlen » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:54 pm

I got my sleeves and pistons from Steiners today. They are the right measurements. I was a little disappointed to see that there are only 2 compression rings instead of 3. The pistons are much shorter skirted which maybe doesn't matter too much? The OEM are full round pistons with the oil ring on the bottom of the skirt. These have 2 compression rings, and the oil ring is above the wrist pin. Quality looks good, but they do have the made in China aura about them :-)


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