Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby Matt Kirsch » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:21 pm

Do NOT use an EZ-out, or else your next thread will be titled, "How do I remove a broken EZ-out?"

The best way to remove the stud if there is some sticking out is to weld a large nut to the stud, let the red glow die down, then CAREFULLY turn it out with the appropriately sized wrench.

Second best is to take the head to someone who has a vertical mill. They can clamp the head in and drill out the bolt without damaging the threads.

Third best you can try to drill it out by hand starting small and going up one drill size at a time until you get to the threads, then picking the threads out.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby danovercash » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:46 pm

If you decide to drill, use left hand drill bits. It may decide to back out on its own. The late George Willer recommends that you throw those easy outs in the nearest lake, lol.
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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby Scrivet » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:11 pm

EZ outs are a great marketing case. If the name sounds good people will buy it! With such a great name nobody thinks about the fact that you twist off a bolt, then drill a hole in it and insert an even smaller diameter piece of metal and EXPECT it to NOT twist off. :evil:

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:52 am

Okay I've headed the warning. I will not use an EZ out. But the head maybe coming off anyway to get the valves seated. So I could take it off. I have been soaking it now for about 4 days. I am in the process of ordering a push rod.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby LincTex » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:16 pm

I'll send you a pushrod for free. Just pay shipping.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby Matt Kirsch » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:56 am

It's going to take many years of continuous soaking for there to be even a slight chance of that stud coming out with just penetrating oil. More drastic measures are in order.

If you're taking it to an engine shop for the valves, they have the tools and know how to remove the broken stud. They'll probably put it in the mill and mill the old stud out.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby LincTex » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:35 pm

Matt Kirsch wrote:If you're taking it to an engine shop for the valves, they have the tools and know how to remove the broken stud. They'll probably put it in the mill and mill the old stud out.


A good machine shop can use heat to properly extract it. I had a machine shop remove a u-joint strap bolt from a VERY rusty (Minnesota car) pinion yoke. It literally looked like the bolt and yoke had "rust-fused" into one solid unit - but they got it out!

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:01 pm

LincTex I sent you a PM about the flex hone hit. Dogs you ever get that? And yes I would be more then willing to take a push rod off your hands and that flex hone kit as well. PM when you get a chance because I would like the both of them. I have paypal.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby LincTex » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:35 pm

I've got nuthin' in the message box.... send me all your info in another PM

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:11 pm

LincTex I sent you a PM. I hope it sent. Thank you

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:29 pm

Update
I am in the process of taking the head off. I will be taking it to a shop to get cleaned up. But before that happens I need to get all the head bolts off. There is only one that I have a question about. It appears that one stud is a crankcase breather. Is there any special process I need to follow to take it off or us it just as simple as taking the top bolt off and working my way down? Thank you

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:02 am

Update:
Got the head off and sent it into the machine shop to be cleaned up. After getting the head off I discovered rust in cylinder 1. I would presume the head gasket was bad and I will be ordering a new gasket set.

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby CumminSHO » Tue May 10, 2016 7:28 pm

Update...
I got the head cleaned up from a local shop. And I ready to put the head back on. My only question is I have a C123. And for valve lash I want 1st cylinder at TDC. But on the C123 there is cross on the flywheel which I presume is the indicator for TDC?

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Re: Farmall 200 Replaced Starter and still no start

Postby Matt Kirsch » Fri May 20, 2016 1:39 pm

Sorry it's been a few days, but there is supposed to be a mark on the flywheel to indicate TDC.

However, I know of at least one tractor where there is no mark at all, and one tractor where the mark is 90 degrees off.

The easiest thing to do to be 100% sure, is pull the #1 spark plug and shine a light down in the hole. You can see the piston come up on TDC, and you've got the valve cover off so you can see that both valves are closed.


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