C113 or 123

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C113 or 123

Postby Ddoucet » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:33 pm

the cast number on my engine is 354898 R2
I am rebuilding a Super A and the sleeve that I ordered is different from the on that came off my tractor. the old one is slow tapered at the bottom and the new one has a very distinct change in the external diameter, about 1/8 inch. the replacement part is for a 113
So I assume I need to return the one I have for a 123

there is also "4 28 Z" on the engine
the serial number is FCM 207068

thanks guys
Donald

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:35 pm

Yes. I looks like you have a C-123 block with the bigger lower bore.

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Ddoucet » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:44 am

thanks Jim
do you have any idea what the 4 28 Z refers to. it is on a plate about 3" long and looks to be screwed on. just below the firing order 1-3-4-2

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:46 am

4 28 Z is a date code. It says that the foundry poured the raw casting on April 28, 1954. Curiosity value only.

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Super A » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:09 am

Is the tractor a Super A-1 by chance? Engine serial number indicates it could be......

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Ddoucet » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:29 pm

the hood says Super A
the model is FAA

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Super A » Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:47 pm

Ddoucet wrote:the hood says Super A
the model is FAA


Decals will be the same between the two. Is the serial number above 356,000?

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Ddoucet » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:16 pm

the serial number is FCM 207068

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:15 pm

Ddoucet wrote:the serial number is FCM 207068

Al was asking about the tractor serial number (data plate under the seat).

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Ddoucet » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:20 pm

sorry
it is 356337

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Jim Becker » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:41 pm

OK, that makes your tractor a "Code 2", commonly called a Super A-1.

If you are not familiar with this detail: On July 6, 1954 the factory changed over from building Code 1 to Code 2 Super As. Mechanically, the Code 2 tractors were essentially like the model 100. They had C-123 engines with water pumps. The radiator was taller and the hood, grille, fuel tank were correspondingly taller (essentially Super C sheet metal). I believe they had the 18" steering wheel. (I'd have to check that.)

When they started production, they skipped some serial numbers from where the Code 1 left off and assigned the first tractor serial 356001. The last one built was 357958 on November 25, 1954. SInce there were fewer than 2,000 built, they are fairly rare.

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Re: C113 or 123

Postby Super A » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:29 am

Jim Becker wrote:OK, that makes your tractor a "Code 2", commonly called a Super A-1.

If you are not familiar with this detail: On July 6, 1954 the factory changed over from building Code 1 to Code 2 Super As. Mechanically, the Code 2 tractors were essentially like the model 100. They had C-123 engines with water pumps. The radiator was taller and the hood, grille, fuel tank were correspondingly taller (essentially Super C sheet metal). I believe they had the 18" steering wheel. (I'd have to check that.)
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Correct Jim, it had the big steering wheel like a Super C, 200, 100, etc.
The Super A-1 grille was an interesting part--the top and center were Super C, the bottom was A/Super A.

My theory has always been that the bulk of the Super A-1s went to NC. Always interesting when one pops up in an a non-tobacco growing area.

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