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Correct lamps

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:31 pm

My new to me ‘53 SA came home missing its lamps. My Lo-Boy has been plowing snow without its lamps and though I have a flashing light on it it’s still not the safest. I want the SA to have working lights.
I seem to remember the flat pancake style like that on my ‘58 Lo-Boy being used somewhere down the line for the Super A’s . Which would be correct for my ‘53, teardrop or pancake?
Also if I’m correct even if it’s the pancake the rear work/tail lamp was still teardrop.
My SA was also converted to 12v so I’ll have to round up a 12v light switch as I doubt the the PO made that swap yet. The one still in there is most certainly 6v.
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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Dale Finch » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:45 pm

The switch may not care whether it's 6 or 12v, but the bulbs certainly will! :shock:

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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Shane N. » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:56 pm

Dale Finch wrote:The switch may not care whether it's 6 or 12v, but the bulbs certainly will! :shock:

You’ve seen the bright flash then no light at all too huh? :lol:
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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Dale Finch » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:57 pm

:lol: BTDT!!

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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:04 pm

I’ve seen the switches sold in either 12 or 6v so going on that I’m assuming it matters.
I’ve got both styles new on the shelf that were purchased for the Lo-Boy and my A but never made it on. Both are sealed beam.
I wonder how DB electric can sell the 6v pancake lights for $18 each but don’t sell 12v. Then others that do sell them in 12 v want three times that amount???. A rear work light with red internal lamp and switch will set me back some $80 by itself. I’m lucky I have all the mounts for it.
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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:06 pm

Dale Finch wrote::lol: BTDT!!

Kodak moment ;)
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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:40 pm

Lt.Mike wrote:I’ve seen the switches sold in either 12 or 6v so going on that I’m assuming it matters. . . .

Without going and looking at one, my guess is the 12-volt switch has spade lug connectors and the 6-volt has screw lugs. The switch mechanism should be the same.

Edit: On second thought, the dimming resistor may be a different value too.

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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:56 pm

Jim Becker wrote:
Edit: On second thought, the dimming resistor may be a different value too.

That’s my concern, don’t want to burn out a usable switch.
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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:07 pm

...back to the other question...
Pancake or teardrop style for a ‘53 SA?
What’s correct?

Edit: according to the Steiner tractor web site the change was made in ‘53. Ok. Well, the lower number early production of that year got teardrop lights while the end production got pancake lamps. :?
1953 starts at 336880
1954 at 353348
Mine is 348709 being built in the last third of the years run so I’m rationalizing that it was one of the first with pancake lamps. (?)
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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:01 pm

Lt.Mike wrote:
Jim Becker wrote:
Edit: On second thought, the dimming resistor may be a different value too.

That’s my concern, don’t want to burn out a usable switch.

12-volt lights use less current than 6-volt of the same wattage. Current through your switch will decrease.

Lt.Mike wrote:...back to the other question...
Pancake or teardrop style for a ‘53 SA?
What’s correct?

Edit: according to the Steiner tractor web site the change was made in ‘53. Ok. Well, the lower number early production of that year got teardrop lights while the end production got pancake lamps. :?
1953 starts at 336880
1954 at 353348
Mine is 348709 being built in the last third of the years run so I’m rationalizing that it was one of the first with pancake lamps. (?)

Likely you are right.

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Re: Correct lamps

Postby inairam » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:38 pm

Look for the SN that changes the wire harness. I had the same issue with a cub 53. I thought the pancake lights on it were wrong but with the cub the pancake lights came in before the hood sheet metal changed but they had to change the wire harness for the pancake as it has a ground lug where the teardrop are grounded through the mount. I think Jim caught that and schooled me on that point.
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Re: Correct lamps

Postby Lt.Mike » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:34 pm

There’s not too much of the original wiring harness left to go on. What’s there works but doesn’t inspire confidence so I’m going to have to rewire it and that’s been the same for all the tractors I’ve picked up that were converted to 12v by the PO. Haven’t found one yet that was wired correctly or wasn’t short cutted in some way.
Paula’s Cub runs great now but has a drain somewhere that will make the battery go dead if the cables are left hooked up overnight.
Filling a schematic and building a new harness will be the most sure solution.
Same goes for this SA.
I keep an original harness on the wall in my barn as an example to go on how the factory put them together and covered them with the fabric wrap.
Quote by Gary Pickeral I like
"If it can cast a shadow, it can be restored"

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