Dumb Implement Question

[w30bob]

Hi Guys,

When you run across FastHitch implements how do you know which tractor they are for? Usually folks are familiar with Cub implements, but I see many implements that are not labeled for any specific model tractor. Do I need to carry pics of implements with me or is there a simpler way? At the auction I just went to there was a FastHitch 2 bottom plow and a disc harrow that both looked a bit much for a Cub to handle......but how would I have known if they'd work with my 140?

Thanks,
Bob

[BullDAWG]

well most that fit the cub will work on an SA-140, but not the other way around. For example a cub 193 plow has a 12" bottom but the A-193 plow came with a 14" or 16" plow and is too big for the cub. Same with the F-11 plow as the SA version had bigger moldboard plows. the 60" mower fast hitch was the same. But if the implements had just 1 fast hitch then they are for cub or SA-140 as the H and M and later larger tractors had a 2 point fast hitch so they can't even mount on a SA or cub.

[w30bob]

Hi BullDAWG,

Thanks for that. Now I get it..........if it has a single fast hitch (ie, 1 point) then it will work on the 140. That specific implement may come in a smaller or larger size, but the 140 won't have an issue using it. The Cub on the other hand needs the smaller of each size implement. Got it.
That makes it very easy............you 'Da Man!

regards,
bob

[Jim Becker]

Not that simple. Some one-point implements work on any one-point tractor. Others are model specific. Some Cub implements are simply too small to fit on the bigger tractors. Some 140 implements are too big for a Cub to handle. Early versions of the model IDs had numbers/letters at the front of the model ID to designate what they fit. Some had different hitch prongs to match them up to a specific tractor and the model didn't tell you how it was set up. Later on, the number/letter prefix was kept on the Cub implements but dropped from the 140 implements. To add a bit more complication, the standard Cub Fast-Hitch came out a bit ahead of the Lo-Boy, so the "L" options didn't initially exist.

Examples:
The 1 Cub L-F1 platform carrier works on any one-point tractor.
1 = fits 100/130/140
Cub = fits standard Cub
L = fits a Lo-Boy
F = Fast Hitch
1 = model number 1

The 1 Cub-F17 middlebuster works on a standard Cub or a 140 but not a Lo-Boy (which can't lift it out of the ground).

The Cub L-F11 rotary hoe works on a standard Cub or a Lo-Boy. It could be used on a 140 but IH made a wider 1-F 11 rotary hoe for the 140.

The Cub-F38 disk harrow (4 or 5 foot versions) was standard Cub specific but later on a Lo-Boy specific prong was added, as was a hitch for non-Fast-Hitch standard Cubs. So it became the Cub L-38 disk harrow. If you try to use one with a Lo-Boy prong on a standard Cub, it will hit the tires. The other way around, you won't be able to keep the front end on the ground. There was similar 5 or 6 foot disk harrow for the 140, called the 1-F38 (later just number 38). It was heavier all the way around.

If you want to be able to sort them out on sight, it is best to study the Parts Catalog for any implement you might be interested in so you can determine if one you run across matches or not. It wouldn't be a bad idea to take a copy of CBI-2A along with you when you go to an auction. You may find I more convenient to just leave it in the truck cab and go back to check it if needed.

[w30bob]

Hi Jim,

Wow.......that's a terrible answer! Not that your reply was terrible.....just the info in it. I can see why IH is out of business.....what a mess. Probably should call it Fast Mess instead of Fast Hitch. I was hoping to not have to become an IH implement expert to figure this out, but looks like that's not the case. Think I'll leave the implements for you guys and just drive around on my tractor. When I actually need get work done I'll just hop on my Kubota.



regards,
bob

[Slim140]

It’s really not that bad Bob. Like Jim said, study the manual for a specific piece or do research on a piece you find and it all comes together. I had no idea what fit what until a couple years ago either.

[Barnyard]

Wow.......that's a terrible answer! Not that your reply was terrible.....just the info in it. I can see why IH is out of business..

I think it is great info. Keep in mind, IH never went out of business. They simply sold out to another company. That is why you now see it as Case-IH. There is a big difference between going out of business and selling a business.

[w30bob]

Hi Shane,

Yeah, I was just having some fun......I'll figure it out.

Hi Barnyard,

Semantics I guess, but IH did in fact go out of business. You're right, they did sell off their AG division to Case (Tenneco) in '84, but the name was changed to Case International, not Case International Harvester. They later changed it to "Case IH". Copyrights are funny things. The "International Harvester Company" ceased to exist shortly thereafter when in '86 when it sold off what it had left to Navistar. So at that point I'd argue the International Harvester Company was out of business. If they could have just pulled thru the late 70's and early 80's who knows what they'd be like today????

regards,
bob

[Jim Becker]

. . . The "International Harvester Company" ceased to exist shortly thereafter when in '86 when it sold off what it had left to Navistar. . . .

Actually, that statement is in error. The "Harvester" name was sold to Tenneco along with the Ag division. The remaining company (only the truck business) had a limited time to change its name. Navistar International was the name that was chosen. Navistar was not another company.

[John *.?-!.* cub owner]

Also, do not forget that pto powered implements between cub and other models do not directly interchange. PTOs turn in opposite directions, and cub pto runs at engine rpm, while others are considered 540 rpm pto.

[w30bob]

Wow.......totally forgot about the PTO implements! Thanks John!!

regards,
bob

[Matt Kirsch]

Different sized implements to fit different sized tractors. What's so horrible about that? You don't pull a 36' field cultivator with a Cub and you don't pull a 1-bottom plow with a Steiger.

Also consider the time. The engineers were just starting to figure this stuff out, on paper with slide rules. No computers.

[w30bob]

Hi Matt,

Not bitching about there being different implements for different tractors.........that makes perfect sense. Perturbed by lack of identifying features on those implements to make it easy to identify which fit which tractor. Carrying around a picture book with is a bit of a pain in the arse......they could have simply added some ID's to the forging dies, like FH1 on all the implements with the smallest fast hitch setup, and FH2, etc. Then all you need to know is which fast hitch you have on your tractor. But maybe I'm oversimplifying.

regards,
bob

[JoeB]

In general, if it looks to big for a Cub, then it probably is. I don't think IH ever intended for the customer to be an expert on sizing or knowing ever implement made or what it fits, there was a dealer for that. The dealer also was also the person to select the correct bottom and share for your plow and matching soil conditions. I don't think anyone at the time of these things being designed and built could have imagined that the would still be in use 60 something years later. The implements made in the late 60s and 70s did have an aluminum tag, but most only have the rivets left, with the tag long gone.