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cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby seamajor » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:56 pm

Have you seen the Tuftbilt and the Oggun tractors? It looks like they are built like the old Allis-Chalmers G model. Does this mean there is a market for cultivating tractors again? Should Case IH bring back the one-row cultivating tractor?
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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:15 pm

weeds are becoming resistant to pesticides. One thing they can't get a resistance to, is steel! Also, increasing organic production, calls for more mechanical weed control.

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby brewzalot » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:34 pm

ScottyD'sdad wrote:weeds are becoming resistant to pesticides


Herbicides I think Ed meant.

Also those herbicides aren't cheap and who can apply them is getting stricter as well.

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby Urbish » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:07 am

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby Eugene » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:32 pm

seamajor wrote:Should Case IH bring back the one-row cultivating tractor?
Not going to happen unless there is a significant sized market with the potential of recovering their manufacturing start up costs and make a profit.

Case/IH/New Holland manufactures products and sells on most continents. I'm sure they continually research the market potential.

Some time back there an individual on this site researching the Farmall Cub to build a tractor for Orient. I think the primary use for the tractor was rice paddies.
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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby Super A » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:43 pm

brewzalot wrote:
ScottyD'sdad wrote:weeds are becoming resistant to pesticides


Herbicides I think Ed meant.

Also those herbicides aren't cheap and who can apply them is getting stricter as well.

tim


The big issue is weed resistance There will be no mass exodus away from chemical weed control, unless resistance issues get completely out of hand. (With the issues with glyphosate resistant pigweed around here, I have commented to several friends at different times that we may have to learn how to set a rolling cultivator again!) If we do see more mechanical cultivation taking place, it will be with equipment significantly larger than a Cub sized tractor.

I expect the small cultivating tractors on the market are targeted mainly towards small organic farms and other specialty markets.

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby Waif » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:07 pm

Not sure what the niche market is for a " new" Cub type.
Drilling seed for soil conservation was getting popular ,along with dense cover crops to choke weeds and serve as green manure.
Increase limits of an f.e.l. on a Cub and tack on enough mass to take a good 3- point attachment and create better versatility ,but .....safety standards, emissions, ( though standards for low horsepower are not as stringent) and popularity of four wheel drive , would put a new model up against a lot of competition in a market where a price point means limits on what the buyer gets.

Outside of that niche....a thirty horse all around will cover a lot of bases. For how much more money?

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby seamajor » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:31 pm

I think large-scale cultivation may never make a comeback because crop yields would be significantly lower to make room for the cultivator. But, I see an emerging market for homesteaders, small-scale produce farmers (like those subscription produce boxes you hear about). As equipment gets older, folks who want reliability might be willing to fork out a little more money for something that's not 50 years old.

If Case/IH could produce a new offset that had enough clearance to cultivate, handle a loader and modern implements such as a tiller at a reasonable price, I think it could compete with some of the modern sub-compacts. I don't know much about regulations, but you can't really beat a cub or 140 if you're tending vegetables. I'd love to see a modern version of those tractors back on the market.
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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby Super A » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:57 am

seamajor wrote:I think large-scale cultivation may never make a comeback because crop yields would be significantly lower to make room for the cultivator. But, I see an emerging market for homesteaders, small-scale produce farmers (like those subscription produce boxes you hear about). As equipment gets older, folks who want reliability might be willing to fork out a little more money for something that's not 50 years old.

If Case/IH could produce a new offset that had enough clearance to cultivate, handle a loader and modern implements such as a tiller at a reasonable price, I think it could compete with some of the modern sub-compacts. I don't know much about regulations, but you can't really beat a cub or 140 if you're tending vegetables. I'd love to see a modern version of those tractors back on the market.


Cultivating does not automatically equal lower yields, it all depends on the crop and the production practices. With the right tires you can get down a pretty narrow row. Pesticides won't go away either, but until more/better chemistries of herbicides come on the market that will kill them, (Roundup Read made the chemical companies lazy) where resistant weed pressures are high I think we might see more row crop cultivation than we have in the past until they can get the weeds under control.
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The last offset caseIH built was the 265, which ended production in the 90s. I don't think they sold many. There are enough different versions of three point hitch cultivators out there to satisfy anyone needing a small outfit for veggies and the like. Used two row rolling cultivators are cheap, easy to cut down to one row or whatever, parts for them are plentiful, etc. One can buy a fancy compact tractor with 4wd, heat and air, etc. and adapt a cultivator to it.

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby Skinpine » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:32 pm

Many small vegetable farms, especially organic, still use single row cultivators. There are just so many old Cubs, Super A's, 140's, AC-G, 264 etc. out there that there is still not a lot of room in the market for new ones.

There is no comparison between what you can do with a cultivision tractor with belly cultivators and a 3pt. cultivator. In small vegetables, a 3pt. cultivator is close to useless without elaborate modification and a very skilled operator. Hillers, sweeps, shovels, and rolling baskets are just plain easier to use when you can see what you are doing. A cub with cultivators is a fine machine for home gardens and small vegetable operations. It is light, agile, and most vegetable crops can be maintained weed free with proper use of the correct cultivator equipment. Worn out sweeps and shovels on rusted up feet that can't be adjusted as seen in some youtube videos are not the correct equipment.

Most commercial vegetable operations use plastic and drip irrigation and have little need for a cultivating tractor. Others use chemical weed control. Neither is likely to change in the near future. The organic market drives demand for cultivation.

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby T-Mo » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:19 pm

It looks like you can throw one more in with Tuff Bilt and Oggun, the Tilmor tractor:

https://www.tilmor.com/en-us/products/33/tilmor-tractor

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby Bill Hudson » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:39 pm

T-Mo wrote:It looks like you can throw one more in with Tuff Bilt and Oggun, the Tilmor tractor:

https://www.tilmor.com/en-us/products/33/tilmor-tractor


I'm going to be down that way Tuesday. If time allows I will stop in to have a look at the real deal.

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby seamajor » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:51 pm

It's interesting to me that these are all copies or variants of the Allis-Chalmers G. Seem to me that Allis never had that kind of market share. I don't know for sure, but around my area all you ever see are Farmall/International on the hobby and produce farms.
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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby T-Mo » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:45 am

As I was browsing around on the Tilmor website, I see the designer of the tractor is Lydell Steiner. I also see on a couple of videos a Steiner tractor and a Ventrac tractor. Also he alludes to the Ventrac as though they're the manufacturers of that tractor. I have to do more research, but it's interesting. They also make an adapter to add some of their implements to Farmall tractors.

https://www.tilmor.com/en-us/products/8 ... it-farmall

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Re: cultivating tractors making a comeback?

Postby Bill Hudson » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:14 am

T-Mo wrote:As I was browsing around on the Tilmor website, I see the designer of the tractor is Lydell Steiner. I also see on a couple of videos a Steiner tractor and a Ventrac tractor. Also he alludes to the Ventrac as though they're the manufacturers of that tractor. I have to do more research, but it's interesting. They also make an adapter to add some of their implements to Farmall tractors.

https://www.tilmor.com/en-us/products/8 ... it-farmall


Yes, they make the Ventrac. As the saying goes, Ventracs are "ten feet tall and bulletproof." Gotta go over there Tuesday.

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