cub loboy mott flail to standard cub...

[Indy4570]

ok I have scoured the forum for a few days now and have seen a few different configurations. Sadly many of the threads are so old they are afflicted with the photobucket curse and most images are not showing. I am looking at a possible trade for a mott flail mower but it was on a loboy. how hard is it going to be to find or make what is needed to run this on a standard cub?

[Gary S.]

Could this help you - Google chrome fix for missing photobucket pictures https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/photobucket-embedded-imag/ogipgokcopooepeipngiikdkpmcpkaon

I have a Mott for a regular cub and Woods for a Lo Boy but they are 1500 miles away for the winter. The only thing that comes to mind is that on a Lo Boy the rear bullgears are rotated forward making the wheel base shorter. The back attachment arms of the Mott may be longer just to get the mower to clear the wheels ??? We will have to leave that up to others but that is my take. What are you trading for it ? What is your plans for it's use? The Mott does not finish mow as nice as say a Woods 59,it leaves ridges approx 4-6 inches apart when mowing,more pronounced depending on speed.Naturally always wanting to get done 2nd gear was used the most. We used to cut the yard with the Mott and our Farmall Cub but switched to a Lo Boy and the Woods. The Mott has a tendency to kick up dust and cutting debris,throw them out the front,then the radiator fan blows it right in your face. Pretty tough if you have allergies. We tried over the years running it backward with the optional front and rear Mott muching plates and that was no help ,tried running it forward with the plates,no help there either . For me if I have some rough mowing to do I put our 6ft Mott on the Ford,more power and easier to change implements anyway or make two passes with the Lo Boy

[Indy4570]

Could this help you - Google chrome fix for missing photobucket pictures https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/photobucket-embedded-imag/ogipgokcopooepeipngiikdkpmcpkaon

I have a Mott for a regular cub and Woods for a Lo Boy but they are 1500 miles away for the winter. The only thing that comes to mind is that on a Lo Boy the rear bullgears are rotated forward making the wheel base shorter. The back attachment arms of the Mott may be longer just to get the mower to clear the wheels ??? We will have to leave that up to others but that is my take. What are you trading for it ? What is your plans for it's use? The Mott does not finish mow as nice as say a Woods 59,it leaves ridges approx 4-6 inches apart when mowing,more pronounced depending on speed.Naturally always wanting to get done 2nd gear was used the most. We used to cut the yard with the Mott and our Farmall Cub but switched to a Lo Boy and the Woods. The Mott has a tendency to kick up dust and cutting debris,throw them out the front,then the radiator fan blows it right in your face. Pretty tough if you have allergies. We tried over the years running it backward with the optional front and rear Mott muching plates and that was no help ,tried running it forward with the plates,no help there either . For me if I have some rough mowing to do I put our 6ft Mott on the Ford,more power and easier to change implements anyway or make two passes with the Lo Boy

I have a woods L306 on the 140 so I have finish mower if I need that, I want the flail for rough cutting applications. I have a Kub Kutter I am working on finding the proper mule drive and front mount for. I have 2 cubs so we will see what ends up on what. I am working on a package trade for a GT I have. nothing decided on, still in the negotiation stages. but I like the flail, have wanted one and watched many vids of them in use on cubs.

[mva1958]

A lot of golf courses were mowed with Mott mowers back in the day - they aren't bad finishing mowers with the proper knives and adjustment, and they can't scalp your lawn or send a rock into the side of your house.

[Matt Kirsch]

Find the parts you need? Pretty much impossible.

Make the parts? Depends on your fabricating skills and creativity.

The Loboy mower mounts more out to the side than the row crop version. On the row crop version the mower hangs under the belly of the tractor a bit.

Really, you might be able to get away with just a longer chain for the lift, and a longer belt for the drive. If you're getting a good deal on it it might be worth a try.

[Indy4570]

I dont see a "jockey rod" on the lowboy, I am not sure how the mower was prevented from swinging back wards. adding a mount would not be so difficult. from the looks of the mower it seems to be not so used judging by the paint, but thats hard to tell.

[Willy]

To prevent it from swinging back and to help maintain belt tension, I'd reverse the drawbar and make some heavy angle iron brackets to run between the mower and drawbar.

Edit: Forgot to add that I'd leave the drawbar lockbolts out so it could go up and down with the mower when lifted. That's my plan for rear support on a home made mower set up for mine.

[Peter Person]

Indy,
Here is a 1968 Int'l Cub LoBoy we owned for a year or so. 5' Mott Flail Mower Model LBS5 S/N 566.
This was the original setup from the dealer, even had the original sales receipt.



There are definite differences to the extent Mott had unique model #'s for the unit used on a regular Cub and for the the Loboy.

Here's a copy of the Mott brochure from the "Parts DB" by Allenlook in the "Cub Info" drop down menu. Same one is on Rudi's Mirror site but both are basically useless because the image is so small you can't read anything.
http://www.farmallcub.info/galleries/oemi_Mott_Flail_Mowers.asp

TM Tractor used to have a brochure section and it had this brochure on it.

Not the help you were looking for...

Someone here on the forum must have a complete unit on a regular Cub.

[Ken (48 Cub)]

Here is how mine is mounted on a 48 FCUB.

So you can see the difference.

[Indy4570]

I have not laid eyes on the Mott that came off the loboy, that is the one in the pic I posted, it is off the tractor now. as far as I can see, the most it will need is shifting the rear bracket mounting locations and fabricating a front jockey rod of some sort. having a few different mule drive options may be helpful.
.

[Gary S.]

Mine is the same as Ken's with the exception of the jockey bar with the bends,mine is straight and of course his nice paint job.

[Indy4570]

I may have found a Mott set up for a standard cub, will make things a lot easier. Hope to see some pics tonight. the main differences are the lift arm and the mule drive. many are set up to run the mule drive off the drawbar. I like the heavy mule drive setup on Ken's. but it doesn't matter as long as everything lines up. The other issue was the side mount for a lowboy, the stability is provided from the left side of the tractor to the left side of the mower. I know it doesn't matter really but I hate to weld up a nice mower if it is already set up for a loboy. I have decided on one thing after looking at so many different setups.....I think I need me a round nose lowboy someday in the herd

[Jim B]

Hello Indy
I have the same dilemma. I suppose I could use the mower as it is, all the way out to the right, but I don't find the idea appealing. It' a 60" mower. I am assuming the loboy is, well, too low to mount it underneath.
My approach, I think, will be to move the idlers over to the left, to the position in which they bolt around the corner of the draw bar, and then reposition/modify the mower support arms to suit. It will balance much better on the hoist that way. ( I don't mind the work; as far as I can tell, almost everything needs either modification or repair.)
However, the length of the arms places the mower under the bell housing. I would think it belonged under the torque tube, so as to have more clearance. I can't really tell from any of the photos. Can somebody advise me?
Thanks.

[Danzo]

Hello all. Im in a close situation. Just purchased a mower from a reputable sell. He told me its for a hi crop version, so made the purchase. Mounting hardware is very different from the usual though. Push bar is not Y shaped but has one leg straight. No jocky rod, but has a bracket and rod which mounts on left side of mower. And ideler pully bracket is not angled to mount on corner of draw bar. He said there were may mounting configerations. I took his word for it. But my mechanical logic is telling me the unit for a lowboy. Just by quick taking measurements at home. It will be sticking about 25" out to side" its a 48" mower)) the jocky bracket and rod looks to be wat to short, not sure it the unit will even reach the ground. And who know about the belt.
Does this unit sound like a low boy unit?
I have pic. But cant get them up loaded. If any one knows about what i have and if it will work with out modification ( The purchase is suposed to be a direct bolt on unit with all hardware and belt)
Please help.
Thanks

[Danzo]

I would also like to add for Jim B. The arms that i have are 46" from center of rear pin to end of bar. I'm not sure this helps since I could not load the photos or am able to identify what unit I have.