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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby T-Mo » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:13 am

tmays wrote:You can use the plow without the helper spring. The spring is more useful with heavier implements


That's what I was thinking. I can always "upgrade and improve" my setup, by adding another rockshaft and reinforcing the fender at a later date. Thanks.

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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby Shane N. » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:14 am

T-Mo wrote:I went out and double check my tractor and it does not have the reinforcement on the fender nor does it have the extra tab on the rockshaft, which is what I expected. The fender reinforcement doesn't bother me too much, that can be remedied, and I guess I can pick up a newer rockshaft. But, for the time being, is it really necessary to have the helper spring if I'm only going to lift the plow? I haven't seen a fasthitch in person, so I don't know the geometry of it to see if the hitch would work efficiently enough without it for lifting a plow. Also, to see if the current, old rockshaft would work with the fasthitch setup.

The later touch controls had a bigger shaft with the helper spring added to it. I'm not sure if you can just change the shaft and bearing holders or not. I've added a helper spring bracket to both of our Cubs with older touch control and it helps a lot with heavier attachments, the plow won't matter.
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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby Peter Person » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:15 am

T-Mo,
Yes, you can lift the plow without a helper spring.

Here's "Gramps" in 2008 at Cecil's CubFest Northeast;
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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby Peter Person » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:18 am

Shane Nelson wrote:
T-Mo wrote:I went out and double check my tractor and it does not have the reinforcement on the fender nor does it have the extra tab on the rockshaft, which is what I expected. The fender reinforcement doesn't bother me too much, that can be remedied, and I guess I can pick up a newer rockshaft. But, for the time being, is it really necessary to have the helper spring if I'm only going to lift the plow? I haven't seen a fasthitch in person, so I don't know the geometry of it to see if the hitch would work efficiently enough without it for lifting a plow. Also, to see if the current, old rockshaft would work with the fasthitch setup.

The later touch controls had a bigger shaft with the helper spring added to it. I'm not sure if you can just change the shaft and bearing holders or not. I've added a helper spring bracket to both of our Cubs with older touch control and it helps a lot with heavier attachments.


Shane,
Yes, that is what is done. Pre-FH rockshaft is 1" diameter, and post-FH rockshaft is 1 1/4" diameter - requiring new bearings/pillow blocks.
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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby T-Mo » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:24 am

OK, thanks guys. Still learning a lot here.

Shane, you said you added a helper spring to the older touch controls? What exactly did you do to accomplish this? Thanks.

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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby Shane N. » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:30 am

T-Mo wrote:OK, thanks guys. Still learning a lot here.

Shane, you said you added a helper spring to the older touch controls? What exactly did you do to accomplish this? Thanks.

When I rebuilt the TC I added the newest piece of metal shown in the photo for the spring to hook to. I haven't added the piece on the fender for support, yet on either of our Cubs. The only time I've needed the spring is when I hook to the yard tool I made that weighs 342 lbs.
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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby T-Mo » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:47 pm

Thanks, Shane. I thought you might have added a tab on the original rockshaft. Do you have any dimensions and the angular location of the tab in relationship to the arm that's already on the rockshaft?

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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby Shane N. » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:48 pm

I can measure it for you one day this week and let you know.
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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby T-Mo » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:26 pm

Ok, thanks.

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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby T-Mo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:19 am

Didn't we just have a topic about procrastinating? Anyways, with all my yeehawing about, the ad for the plow has expired (the 45 day thingy). I had contacted the seller numerous times, but using the craig's list ad email system, so I don't have the personal contact information to the seller. Is there anyway to get to an expired ad on craig's list? I tried the internet archive thingy, but it won't take me to a search feature to find a particular ad.

I'm hoping the seller will have my real email address and try to contact me.

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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby Shane N. » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:29 am

Here’s the piece to add for a helper spring. The old TC shafts are 1 1/4”, the later ones are bigger. This piece is 3/4” thick, I didn’t put that on the drawing. I copied this from a friends later Cub.
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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby Shane N. » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:31 am

T-Mo wrote:Didn't we just have a topic about procrastinating? Anyways, with all my yeehawing about, the ad for the plow has expired (the 45 day thingy). I had contacted the seller numerous times, but using the craig's list ad email system, so I don't have the personal contact information to the seller. Is there anyway to get to an expired ad on craig's list? I tried the internet archive thingy, but it won't take me to a search feature to find a particular ad.

I'm hoping the seller will have my real email address and try to contact me.

Only thing I know to tell you is put a want ad in the section the plow was in and hopefully he will relist it or contact you.
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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby T-Mo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:56 pm

Ok, I found the seller and I'll be picking up the plow Monday, and the hitch this Friday. I'm going to be broke for sure.

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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby Shane N. » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:04 pm

Is the helper spring included with the hitch? If it is be sure and get the bracket that bolts to the fender and front of the transmission.
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Re: 194 Plow Identification Help

Postby T-Mo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:43 pm

The helper spring is included with the hitch, and the bracket is there.


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