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Postby meandmydeere » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:10 pm

I recently purchased a 1953 cub. I picked it up on Sunday and now have it in pieces on my floor. The engine was completly disassembled so I have a virtual basket tractor case.
The headlights are chromed. In pictures I only see red and black. Which is correct?
And where does the rear light mount? That is the only part missing as far as I can tell at this point.
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Postby Mike Schmudlach » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:30 pm

On a 1953 Cub the lights are RED along with everything else on the tractor.
Carb, gen, starter, radiator even some red paint on the wiring harness.
Rear rims are Silver.

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Postby johnbron » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:40 pm

Mark, The rear light mounts on the back of the battery box, Also do you know where I can get a hubcap for a [1944 LA] :?:
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1971 Case 442 L/G
1953 Farmall Cub
1962 Farmall Cub Lo Boy
w/Wagner loader
assortment of plows. disk,harvestors.
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Postby meandmydeere » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:40 pm

Have you tried Ridenours in trenton, Ohio? In your search engine type Ridenours. Can't tell you how much to expect to pay because I have not ever priced them.
Thanks for the replys on the headlight colors.
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Postby George Willer » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:34 pm

Red and black are both correct. Red if fitted at the factory and black if fitted later. Some Cubs didn't have lights until the black ones were added later.
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Postby Mike Schmudlach » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:18 pm

George,
Black was never correct. Black generators and starters are not correct either.
Correct meaning how it came out of the factory.
Yes, when you bought a light or generator etc... at your dealer they were black. The only reason they were black is that Guide, Delco etc... only furnished them in black to IH, JD, Oliver, MM, etc.....
When you bought a carb at the dealer it was not painted Red but "correct" is to have the carb painted Red.
You can do however/whatever you want but that does not make it "correct".
When you add something to a tractor after it came out of the factory it is then changed there for not correct.
If only the tractors had line set tickets like IH did with the trucks. :-)
To have black lights, gen, etc... is not wrong but it is not "correct".
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Postby Rudi » Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:00 pm

meandmydeere:

First, Image to the greatest forum on the internet, and to the Cub Family. You will find that all the folks on this forum are kind, helpful and just full of Cub info and knowledge. They also happen to be the finest folks I have ever met :!: :D

As for info on paint and all, well I guess you got some pointers already. And I am NOT gittin into the correct police thingy here.... it all depends on a number of things.

As has been pointed out before -- there really is no such thing as correct.. period in my estimation.

IH would paint a tractor any colour you wanted as long as you were willing to pay for it or had a large enough order. I guess even Pink, Purple or Violet would have qualified if requested....

So far, most of the added lights I have seen in the last few years were left Black, probably cause either the Dealer or the Owner didn't really care about the colour. On tractors that have been redone, the lights are invariable Red. However, again to my previous point... Canadian National Railway would have had CN Orange, USDOT would have had DOT Yellow, Marines -- Dirt Green.. ad nauseum..

IF you really want to get the skinny, might I suggest you get a copy of Ken Updike's Farmall Cub and Cub Cadet's :?: . Along with Guy Fay's Letter Series Originality Guide, these are two must have's in anyone's collection.

I agree with George though on Black for the starter and either a clear or nice Flat Aluminum Powder Coat for the Carb and of course Black for the rubber adapters.., but then that is just me preference. Most everything else should probably be Red. I am partial as well to IH 1150B Blue for implements and of course Yaller and White for some things..

Bottom line - your tractor, your choice.. :idea: :!: :lol:


Ok, so here is the spiel Image:

I would suggest that you read this thread: New Members and Visitors, Please READ Prior to Posting. There are many great links to informative pages such as the ATIS FAQ's 1 and ATIS FAQ's 2, The Best of H.L. Chauvin who has written very interesting articles on troubleshooting common problems with your Cub.


Also, you might want to visit the Cub Manual Server as there is tons of info on servicing, maintaining and re-building your Cub. In addition to this basic information, there are also a number of other useful tools available on the server. There is the Specialty Services page which has contact info for neat stuff like getting your seats recovered, buying quality Decals, Serial Number tags and a host of other neat items. Also there are the Parts Pages - both Used Parts Suppliers and New Parts Suppliers pages with links to quality dealers. I am always looking for YOUR favourite dealers for New and Used Parts to include here. These are intended to complement the businesses who support FarmallCub.com Website.

I would also recommend that you visit Binder Books and purchase the three most important manuals you can own for Maintenance, Repair and Rebuilding your Cub. These are the Owner's Manual, the GSS-1411 Service Manual and the TC-37F Parts Manual. Although they are available on the Cub Manual Server, it is better is you also have your own paper copy. Binder Books is the only Authorized IH Publication Reprint House and they have the best quality manuals available. Most other's are not of the same quality. Just a personal thought here, the I&T Shop Manuals, although helpful in some areas, really are not sufficient for the job. If you wish though, they are good additional reference works.

In addition to the above information, don't forget to check out the various articles that are available to help with your Repair, Restore, Rebuild or just your Maintenance Projects. There are a number of sub pages such as Electrolysis or Rust Zapper's, Maintenance Tips, Jigs and Techniques, Implement and Part Sketches and of course the Paint, Decals & Other Finish Questions which has the Paint Chart and the Paint Committee Decisions links.

I truly hope that you enjoy your Cub and that you will be a frequent contributor to the forum. Again, Image to the Cub FamilyImage :D
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Postby Mike Schmudlach » Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:30 pm

The question was "What is correct", not what our personal preferences are.
This is one topic I have spent many hours in the archives researching and have a bit more knowledge on than the general Cub Collector. Ken, Guy and I have sat side by side in the archives researching this topic. We have seen pictures and paint committee decisions you can not get on the web.
You can do what ever you want with your own tractor but then don't say it is restored to "original" or "this is way it came from the factory".

I hear from so many people that IH would paint a tractor anyway you wanted it. That is dead wrong. IH would paint a whole bunch of tractors in a different STANDARD color if the quanity was high enough and you paid the big upcharge.

This should answer some questions on Cub painting. This proceduring didn't change much over the years.

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/ful ... pe%3Dbasic
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Postby cowboy » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:00 pm

Oh boy Mike am I happy that I have a working cub that is not subject to the correct police :!: :!: As I have reversed the hydrolics on my 64 cub put a rock shaft on not the fast hitch with the deluxe seat (looked and looked for pictures of one set up like this and never did see one) But the kids loved playing with it as it is (wrong) and when they are old enought to understand I will tell them why its not "factory" Thanks to somone like you that took the time to know the difference.

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Postby Mike Schmudlach » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:05 am

Cowboy,
The point is the guy is a JD guy and asked what was correct.
JD guys want it "right".
I only own one tractor that is "correct" and that is only because it is original. If someone wants to do a tractor the way it came off the factory floor we should help them do it, not give our "I think it looks better
this way" opinions.
I would never tell someone that their tractor is "wrong".
We have all sorts of new engineering on our work tractors.

If someone wants to go through the trouble and spend the money to do a real restoration we shold provide them with the right info and encourage them.

I could care less if your tractor is correct or not and I don't think anyone else does either. :-)

I have never seen a tractor restored to the same specs and look as it came from the factory.

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Postby cowboy » Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:50 pm

Mike I'm sorry if it sounded as if I was critisizing you. I respect you and the time and effort you have put into reasearching how the tractors came out of the factory. While mine is not "correct" and I would never claim that it was I do like to know how it was originaly.

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Postby George Willer » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:32 pm

Cowboy wrote:Mike I'm sorry if it sounded as if I was critisizing you. I respect you and the time and effort you have put into reasearching how the tractors came out of the factory. While mine is not "correct" and I would never claim that it was I do like to know how it was originaly.

Billy


Cowboy,

Red is correct as far as how the lights were when it left the Louisville factory.

Black is correct for lights that were added later.

I don't think any of us can see far enough back in time to see which was the case.

The same Guide lights would have originally been painted green if they were installed at the John Deere factory. :wink:

I guess it depends on your definition of "correct". :shock:
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Postby Rudi » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:34 pm

George:

You wrote:

Black is correct for lights that were added later.


You are 100% correct on this one, and I think I have changed my mind on what colour I may paint Ellie's eyes... I was over at Clorice's house across the street. I have seen his Cub sooooo many times over the last 24 years, I guess sometimes I get blinded by the light.... :roll: :lol: (k guys - name the tune and the artist :lol: :lol: )

The headlights on his Cub are exactly as they came from our local CaseIH Dealer. Yup you guessed it.... BLACK. His mistake, was that he painted the light brackets black as well, but he likes it that way, so who am I to tell him it ain't right :!: :?: :idea: :roll:

Not me, no sir. My daddy done raised me to respect me elders.. and Clorice has a few years on me. Ain't no way I am arguing with a 78 year old man... specially one I like a lot :!: :lol: 8) :D
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Postby Mike Schmudlach » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:22 pm

If I remember right.........unless the Cub sat in inventory for a really long time.........it would of never been sold by a Case-IH Dealer. :-)

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Postby Donny M » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:38 pm

Mike Schmudlach wrote:
Correct meaning how it came out of the factory.


There was a fella back in 1947 who bought a new Cub. On the way home from the dealer with his pride and joy, he noticed the front tire had gone flat. He didn't dare put air in the tire, as that wouldn't be correct. No, he took the tractor back to the dealer and traded it in on a correct model, complete with the correct "factory" air in the tires. The dealer sold the incorrect model to his borther in law for a lesser sum and the tractor served him well for 58 years. To this day the tractor still has the "incorrect" air in that tire :roll:

You know one of those brother in law deals :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:

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